Talk:Battle of Fukuda Bay

Referencing problems

The only source referenced in the article that is available online is the 1951 Boxer book, The Christian Century in Japan. Reference [8] of the article concerns a 1561 brawl and points to page 33 of the book. But page 33 of the version available online has no mention of fighting, and instead deals with an entirely unrelated topic, see here. Page 36 of the book is meant to describe the Japanese attacking [article ref. 12] and carrying away a desk [article ref. 14]; page 36 of the online book discusses events in the 1540s, some twenty years earlier.

I also found it a bit strange that I could not find any mention of this event in the Japanese Wikipedia. I was hoping to link it to a relevant article there. Underbar dk, could you please check the sourcing in the article? If you are aware of any other online sources, I would love to have a look at them. Thanks, AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks, Athomeinkobe, for catching my mistake in referencing the Boxer sources. Christian Century does not mention this event, but his other work Fildagos does, and I must have mixed up the two books somewhere along the way. The Japanese source I cited is available online here [1], found by searching the word 福田浦 (Fukudaura). (The brawl in Hirado is available on Japanese Wikipedia at ja:宮ノ前事件) If you're interested, I can also show you the Fildagos copy privately. _dk (talk) 02:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your response and providing the links Underbar dk. By the way, do any of your sources mention the month or season that the event occurred in? I'm guessing they don't, as the Japanese source you just linked to only mentions the year. On a minor point, the Japanese book plus the Japanese wiki pages suggest that Fukuda is within modern Nagasaki city, so I'll make that change. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

@Athomeinkobe: You are right in assuming that my sources did not mention the dates of this event explicitly. However, we can surmise the date has to be around autumn due to the Portuguese's sailing schedule: "The carrack finally left for Japan [from Macau] with the south-west monsoon between the end of June and the beginning of August, the voyage to Southern Kyushu taking anything from twelve to thirty days. The ship remained in port until the north-east monsoon set in at the end of October or beginning of November; and subsequently set sail for Macao with her precious cargo of silver bullion at any time between November and March." (Boxer, Fildagos, pp.15-16). We also know that the carrack of 1565 left Fukuda for Macao in November, according to schedule. _dk (talk) 07:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I will leave that to your discretion of whether to include it. By the way, I solved the Fukuda redlink which was in the lead paragraph. It is only a start, but I plan to expand on it, including with some of the text from the Japanese source about the opening of the ports and the battle. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

@Athomeinkobe: You may be interested to know that I've found a new source, not even two weeks off the press, that goes into a bit more detail about this battle, including the exact date it happened [2] _dk (talk) 15:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

@Underbar dk: Thank you very much for the links. I have expanded the Fukuda, Nagasaki article using them and have nominated it for DYK. Please let me know what you think. Thanks again! AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

@Athomeinkobe: Good work! I would have reviewed the DYK nom, but I feel that since I created the Fukuda Bay battle article, I would have a too much of a stake in this article to review it objectively. I notice that the Japanese Wikipedia article contains some information that we don't have (albeit unsourced), perhaps you can find sources for those info and incorporate them into the article? _dk (talk) 05:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

@Underbar dk:, if you don't mind I think we should continue this discussion at the other article's talk page. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)