Talk:Battle of Loznica (1941)/Archives/2012/May

Lack of inline references - WP:UNSOURCED

G'day, this article has no inline referencing at all - see WP:UNSOURCED. Please provide a reliable source for the information used, such as a published book available in English with full citation including page numbers. Thanks. Peacemaker67 (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

All the external references are bare URLs and have link rot. Essentially there are no references at all for this article at present. I have conducted exhaustive searches on Google including Google Scholar, and have not been able to locate any independent reference to this battle. I intend to request its deletion in 7 days unless referencing is provided. Peacemaker67 (talk) 23:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the source, FkpCascais. I note that all that says is that the Chetniks captured Loznica. If no more reliable information is available, I am not sure it would meet the 'Notability' criteria. Peacemaker67 (talk) 23:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I know, no problem. I´ll try to see if I can find any more sources and I´ll bring them here. Otherwise we´ll delete the article and move what is sourced and can be used to another related article. FkpCascais (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Its a small event, no question. Perhaps a WP:RfC regarding merging the article into somewhere? Personally, and I emphasize this is my personal evaluation, I think this event warrants only brief mention in the Yugoslav Front article. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 10:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

If someone could actually came up with a couple of reliable sources for the claim of it being the first liberated town in occupied Europe, I would be supportive of retaining whatever of it could be sourced. Otherwise, I would support a merge. I am at a loss as far as the reliability of Blic and Vreme. Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Blic and Press are popular dailies, generally reliable for day-to-day events but prone to sensationalism, and I doubt they pay much attention to fact-checking for some WW2 events. Basically, the Blic piece is an interview with an event witness, so it's a primary source. Vreme is highly regarded leftist magazine, but that article (criticizing the sudden revival of Loznica events as the "first Serbian uprising") is also an opinion piece, more or less. I provided them as they do prove that there is historical truth in the events (as well as the Vladimir Dedijer quote), but we really need some scholarly coverage instead. No such user (talk) 11:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

And, by the way, even according to that eyewitness account, (who was 15 at the time),

Loznicu su oslobodili njeni građani predvođeni potpukovnikom vojske Kraljevine Jugoslavije, a u oslobođenju Banje Koviljače prvi put su zajedno delovali četnici i partizani. Zar to nije mesto za istinsko pomirenje?

Loznica was liberated by its citizens, lead by a lieutenant-colonel of the Army of Kingdom of Yugoslavia, and in liberation of Banja Koviljača first time Chetniks and Partisans acted together. Is it not a place for genuine reconciliation?

so there are many unknowns in the equation, and "Chetnicks attacked Nazis" might not be the whole truth. No such user (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

This is all that I could find on the matter: "However, on 31 August Cetnik units under the command of Veselin Misita liberated the city of Loznica. Ninety- three German soldiers were captured but Misita was killed. This was the first city in Europe liberated from German occupation." from The Serbs and their Leaders in the Twentieth Century, Ashgate, 1997. -- ◅PRODUCER _(TALK) 13:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

And thats about as much as I would give for write for this event. Adding "hailed by some as". --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 14:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the claim regarding Loznica being the first liberated town in occupied Europe. Tomasevich 2001 p140-142 states that several towns in Montenegro were liberated during the July 1941 rebellion. Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)