Talk:Battle of Mactan

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It is really funny that they call a battle -- 60 Spaniards versus 1,500 locals. No way would Magellan or anyone else engage in such a battle. It's remarkable that in the Philippines, Lapu-Lapu is presented as a national hero. Yet, there isn't a single Filipino presented as a hero of WWII. There might have been some, but their names have been deleted from history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.214.56.224 (talk) 01:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

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There is a scientific discussion that the Battle of Mactan did not take place on the present island of Mactan which was called opo island until the international airport was built there and the island was renamed 'Mactan'. Supposedly the battle of Mactan was on the Camotes islands that were caleld 'Mactan' at that time. EtW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.134.161 (talk) 22:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The old name of the island of Mactan is Opong. Regarding the Camotes issue, indeed, there were artifacts on the island of Camotes, specifically in the Barrio of Mactang )which is adjacent to the Barrio of Bulaya in the Municipality of Poro. In contrast with the Island of Mactan, no artifacts were ever recovered save perhaps for a few iron spears which may be viewed at the Southwestern University Museum, but the same were collected without regard to proper documentation and serious archaeological investigation. Cdvl (talk) 08:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

A Muslim and a Tausug?

TThere is no evidence whatsoever in the Visayas that the region believed in the Islamic Faith or that Lapulapu was a Muslim and a Tausug. Until such a time that there are historical sources cited for such an assertion, I will continue to delete any citation and reference as regards the matter. Self-serving references claiming his membership as a Tausug tribal leader is not supported by historical fact save perhaps for the website from which ausug. At most, he is a Visayan Hero and tribal leader, and he will remain as such til the contrary that he was muslim and Tausug is proven. Cdvl (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

--> please check Philippine government, they have recognized him as a muslim, in that time there were only two types of people and they were animist or muslim, he is in the sultanate of sulu crest. do your research please. or this looks like you have something against his religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.67.151.149 (talk) 01:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

--> There Philippine government has not recognised Lapulap as a muslim and it is utterly inconceivable that neither Pigafetta, nor any Spanish or Portuguese sources would not mention him being a Muslim if he was one. Plus Pigafetta states that when Lapulapu's village was attacked about eight days before the Battle of Mactan, that the Spanish raised a cross, not a column, the latter is what they raised after attacking Muslim villages, so, implicitly, he was not Muslim. There is no evidence whatsoever that he was Muslim, and evidence he was not. Consult Danny Gerona's "The Aramada de Maluccos".

"Battle of Mactan"?

I haven't actually seem this nomenclature employed in scholarly publications, but perhaps I'm just overlooking something. A "J-Stor" search for the phrase turns up only this, where it is used as "battle of Mactan" (the word "battle" isn't capitalized, thus the author is just referring to an unnamed battle that occurred at Mactan.) A Google search reveals 8,000 hits for the phrase, but as with the above incident it's unclear which of these are applying this phrase as a title. I have thusfar found references to the "Battle of Mactan" on Philippine websites, but not elsewhere. This article suggests that the more popular titular expression is "the battle between Lapu-Lapu and Ferdinand Magellan."

In summation, my question is: is this incident in fact labeled "the Battle of Mactan" in acadæmic circles?--Xiaphias (talk) 08:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I just checked, and in Laurence Bergreen's 2003 book Over the Edge of the World, he uses the lowercase version ("battle of Mactan"). --Xiaphias (talk) 08:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to rework the article accordingly since I haven't gotten any feedback. If you object, let me know. --Xiaphias (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

1500 men?

could this be an exaggeration of Antonio Pigafetta? some historians consider this questionable since the Visayas regions of the philippines are remote and thus not very populated. i think that the number of lapu-lapu's men should be lowered; at least to a reasonable and plausible number. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.153 (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

A circular argument?

This article uses as one of its major sources a web site (an amateur, non-academic page), which carries a near-exact copy of this article and sites only one source: Wikipedia! Needless to say, this is not an adequate reference. EugeneK (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Explorer?

The "explorer" appellation seems overly generous in light of his passenger's account: "Seeing that, the captain-general sent some men to burn their houses in order to terrify them." [1] The title "terrorist" or "mercenary" seems more fitting in the context of the Battle of Mactan. Since his mission was explicitly meant to extend the economic dominion of Spain, the term "fascist scout" might be equally descriptive. "Explorer" suggests respectfully scientific observation, e.g. Charles Darwin, Jacques Cousteau, Robert Ballard, etc. While I wouldn't suggest removing Magellan from Wikipedia's Explorer page, his exploits in the Philippines were far from just "discovery of resources or information". Lonestarnot (talk) 20:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Strength

Someone seems to be having a problem with the fact that there were 49 Christian explorers fighting more than 1,500 Muslim warriors. This number is documented by Antonio Pigafetta, who was neither a soldier nor a Spaniard, and whose testimony is used as a basis for numerous works and history studies all over the world, including this very same Wikipedia. Please stop vandalizing this page and trying to distort the facts. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RafaelMinuesa (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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kayat sa sugbo

Legends

Is this page written by Filipinos? Of all the sections here, the English here has to be the worst. Can we use some proper English here? Thanks. mbswriter @ gmail dot com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.78.109 (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

'Howitzers'?

I very much doubt it. They probably did have a technical name, but changing it for 'cannon' is probably more accurate130.216.69.29 (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree. LOL!! If Magellan died in 1521, how did he have weapons that did not exist for another 200-300 years? Did he also possess a time machine? Reading wiki articles on the Philippines reminds me of why this site is not considered an academic authority...Presidentbalut (talk) 14:14, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I've made the change. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:52, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Aftermath: unsupported direct quote removed

Here, I've removed an unsupported direct quote. The content of the quote has been tweaked a few times (see e.g., [2], [3]); I would doubt that Lapu Lapu uttered these words or the equivalent in a non-English language. Please cite a WP:RS if restoring this content. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:11, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Who was Magellan fighting for?

The article said, 'It is a historical inaccuracy to consider the Battle of Mactan a "fight to resist foreign rule", as Magellan's forces were fighting to defend the interests of Rajah Humabon, the local chieftain of Cebu.' That is POV. We may plausibly assume Magellan thought he was fighting for a potential Spanish territory, after converting the Rajah to Christianity. I modified it to 'It might be considered a historical inaccuracy ...'. This paragraph should be further modified to be more NPOV, but I will not do it as I don't know enough. Zaslav (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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mdy dates

The Battle of Mactan is something that has WP:STRONGTIES to the Philippines and should therefore use Philippine English. I've set the variant to en-PH; and I have changed all the dates to mdy. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 11:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Troop strength

The troop strength given in the article as is are wildy unrealistic and clearly made up. 100000 Natives against 20000 Spaniards.... 77.8.73.204 (talk) 00:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source to support this claim, and I will fix the troop strength numbers. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 21:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Farewell Magellan

They sailed due west to the Philippine Islands Magellan was pleased as the natives drew near But then someone shouted... "I think they're attacking!" Magellan said... "What?" And got hit by a spear. Whoopi-ti-yi-yo, farewell, Magellan! You almost made it! It's really not fair! Whoopi-ti-yi-yo, oh, ghost of Magellan The East Indies Islands were right over there! 67.184.73.171 (talk) 14:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)