Talk:Battle of Molodi

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Should that be "recognizance" or "reconaissance"? Choess 03:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

My Browser does not show the link in "References". What is problem? Ben-Velvel 11:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Numbers

Numbers are not true. Source is Russian and definitely not reliable. You can't comment on history from just one side. You have check sources of other certain party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okuyurhan (talk • contribs) 10:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

If you know some Turkic source about Molodi, feel free to contribute. It would be quite interesting. As far as there are no sources or studies from the Turkic side, there is no basis for doubting Russian numbers. Your subjective feeling is not enough. --Voyevoda (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

In Russian wiki the number of Russian troos - 25 000. And there are list of regiments with number of soldiers is presented. So i think this data is more referable than Turkish 60 000 taken from nowhere. 20:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC) Odysseos

"decimated the Russian vanguard of 200 men" Decimated? Only 20 Russians were killed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.202.133.202 (talk) 22:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Haklısın kardeşim Nizamcı (talk) 07:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Aftermath?

Yet weren't the Crimean Tatars still an annual threat in Peter the Great's time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:346:580:1FD0:996A:BAD4:5E49:5B09 (talk) 16:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of referenced information

Since user:Dushnilkin can't seem to read the quote in the article:

• "Just beyond the Oka, the horde encounters 60,000–70,000 Russians, commanded by Prince Mikhail Vorotynsky..."--Tucker,2010, page 531

And, since user:Dushnilkin stated, "Even in the article itself there is a calculation of the forces of the Russians, it is unclear why you decided and where you got these magical 70 thousand"

The entire quote:

• "Eastern Europe: Russia: Battle of Molodi. The 120,000 strong horde of Tatar khan Devlet Giray of the Crimea advances toward Moscow, which he confidently expects to sack for the fourth time..[.....Just beyond the Oka, the horde encounters 60,000–70,000 Russians, commanded by Prince Mikhail Vorotynsky. The two armies immediately join combat.]"

There's your "magical" 70,000 Russians.

I see no reason to remove referenced information(Tucker) and replace it with unpaginated non-English sources which defy verifiability. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

All sources are quietly checked, my data is based on primary sources. Language doesn't matter here Dushnilkin (talk) 17:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

• "All sources are quietly checked.."

No idea what that means. Are you using a translation device to edit here?

Primary sources should be avoided since their information can be biased.

• "Language doesn't matter here."

Yes it does, this is English Wikipedia, not Russian Wikipedia. And since your "sources" have no page numbers and are not in English, verifiability becomes a concern. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you will have any problems checking Karamzin's book, It has been repeatedly published in English

As for the primary sources, the literature is mainly based on them, if there are no primary sources, then the work is unscientific Dushnilkin (talk) 17:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

That is not what I said about the usage of primary sources.

• "I don't think you will have any problems checking Karamzin's book, It has been repeatedly published in English"

Then you should be able to supply page number(s). --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I read the book in electronic format where the pages are not indicated, I told you the volume and the chapter number Dushnilkin (talk) 17:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

None of which justifies the removal of the Tucker reference or the referenced information. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)