Talk:Battle of San Cesario

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that in 1229 the city of Piacenza sent 36 knights to assist the pope in the War of the Keys, but 174 knights to help its ally, Bologna, in the battle of San Cesario? Source: Loud (2016), "The Papal 'Crusade' against Frederick II", p. 92: "Piacenza sent 36 knights to assist him. But when in August of that year the Piacenzans sent help to their ally Bologna as its dispute with Modena reached its culmination, they despatched 174 knights."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Book of Common Prayer (1979)
  • Comment: This nomination was split off from a multi-nomination submitted on January 7 by Srnec, and should be back-dated to then.

Created by Srnec (talk). Nominated by BuySomeApples (talk) at 02:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC).

• Hi! Article is long enough (characters-2,737), neutral, well-cited, and with [no copyvio] detected, QPQ done. The hook is formatted, of good length, and cited in the article. Nomination on time. (It was created on January 4th and a multi-nomination was submitted on January 7th). Thanks RV (talk) 11:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

• Awesome! Thank you for reviewing this @RAJIVVASUDEV: Does the article pass or are there any changes that should be made first? BuySomeApples (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• Hello @BuySomeApples, IMO, the article is a pass with no changes required. I was unsure about myself and whether or not I could approve it. Maybe an admin can authorise the approval. Thanks RV (talk) 04:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• @RAJIVVASUDEV: You don't need any kind of admin approval or permissions to approve a nomination. As long as you do a thorough review and check it against the DYK rules (which it looks like you did a good job of), that's all it needs. Although, if you ever feel unsure you can ask for a second review by using this code {{subst:DYK?again}}. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• @BuySomeApples Okay then. It is good to go. Thanks for your encouraging and kind words. Regards RV (talk) 07:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• @BuySomeApples, RAJIVVASUDEV, and SL93: I've reopened this nomination, as unfortunately the hook fact is not fully covered in the article, as required by the DYK criteria. The numbers mentioned, 36 and 174, are not included in the article. I initially added them in, based on my understanding of the source and page number from what you've written above, but it seems I was mistaken about this as Srnec has reverted my change. Please can you either make edits to ensure that the hook fact and the numbers are in the article and properly sourced, or else find a different hook to use? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

This was originally a double nomination. The facts are thus split between this article and War of the Keys. What about the following ALTs, respectively citations [2] and [4] in the article:

ALT1: * ... that following its victory over Bologna in the battle of San Cesario (1229), the city of Modena returned the enemy's captured carroccio to prevent an escalation of the conflict?[Source]

• ... that riots forced the city of Bologna to sue for peace after its defeat in the battle of San Cesario in 1229?

I prefer the first one. Srnec (talk) 16:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Kindly see. If you are convinced with the revision in hooks? Regards RV (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Amakuru: Please help to conclude. Thanks RV (talk) 03:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• alright, per Srnec's preference above I'll approve the hook ALT1 above. This should move it to the approved queue, where it will be processed in the next few days hopefully. I don't have the source for this hook, but will tick it off as AGF. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

ALT1 to T:DYK/P4