Talk:Battle of the Severn

Style

An interesting page, IMHO - but is it necessary to use the word "would" so often? Use of the past tense might, I suggest, be preferable. NinetyCharacters (talk) 09:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

An excellent suggestion, and I have made that change. I am guilty of writing running narratives, and I have to force myself not to do it.--Yachtsman1 (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

"The background surrounding the Battle of the Severn flows from the early days of Maryland as a colony," Are you talking about the battle, or the river?

What is unusual about this article is that the background is about six times as long as the description of the battle. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand your point. The context, a fight between two colonies mirrored by a civil war in the home country, and conflicts of loyalty within the colony itself, is what makes this particular conflict so unusual. It involves strong characters, internal and external influences, and that context must be explained fully to understand the battle's influence on history. A foreshadowing of things to come.--Yachtsman1 (talk) 21:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

- It feels like the main article shouldn't be the battle of the severn, almost more a minor theatre of the English civil war. Is there a historical term that encompasses all of these events, if not there should be :(. Theres also a separate article existing for ingles rebellion, it should probably be redirected here. I don't know how to do that though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nunparty (talk • contribs) 16:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Location

Historians seem to be in disagreement with where the battle was fought. Some believe it was at Horn point as the article states, but others seem to believe it took place on the north bank of the Severn at present day North Severn Naval Station. Maybe the article should be adjusted to mention both locations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.15.217 (talk) 02:11, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I think historians would peg the battle at Horn Point, but that the ships were hidden by the Point around the Naval Station. In any event, I will look in on it and see what I can do if clarification is needed. Thanks for pointing that out. --Yachtsman1 (talk) 20:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Category

This appears in the category: Battles of the English Civil War which relates to the wars between King Charles I and Parliament in England, starting in 1642. There seems to be no connection. Sky120liner (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Not part of the Third English Civil War

May, Radmila (March 1999), "The Battle of Great Severn", Contemporary Review, 274 (1598) (subscription required), Also available at "The Battle of Great Severn". The Free Library. Retrieved December 2012. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); External link in |publisher= (help)

Radmila May states "But the Battle of Great Severn is not one that features in most histories of the English Civil War." therefore I think it inappropriate to include to include this battle in the Template:Campaignbox Third English Civil War as most histories give the end of the Civil War as the defeat of the Royalists at the Battle of Worcester (the "Crowning Mercy") in 1651. To include this battle which took place in March 1655 during the Protectorate is a distortion of the accepted history. If this is to be included why not Penruddock uprising (May 1655) or Booth's Rebellion (August 1659)? Simple answerer is we do not because the most reliable sources do not (see WP:UNDUE). -- PBS (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Last battle?

I think that this article makes too much of "the Battle of the Severn, considered the last battle of the English Civil War"

The Battle of Winnington Bridge (19 August 1659) involved about 9,000 men (5,000 Roundheads and 4,000 Cavaliers), although thanks to the efficiency of the New Model Army the number of dead was very low one Roundhead and 30 Cavaliers. One of the historians who has written about the battle is Trevor Royle and he writes on on page 748 that:

"The last set-piece battle of the wars of the three kingdoms had been fought and won".

• Royle, Trevor (2006) [2004], Civil War; The Wars of the Three Kingdoms 1638–1660, London: Abucus, p. 748, ISBN 978-0-349-11564-1

So I suggest that the claim is removed, but if those who usually edit the article consider it important then keep the in text attribution in the lead, but please remove the unattributed statement from the battle box.

-- PBS (talk) 21:18, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Background or Battle?

The article is entitled "Battle of the Severn" but that is only 1/4 of the existing article. Most of the article is currently on the "background" about events from the 1630s and 1640s. These need to be moved to another article, so that this entry can be specifically about the events of 1654-1655.-- PaucaVerba (talk) 19:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)