Talk:Bdóte

Pre-DYK

@Oncamera I plan to nominate this article for DYK (or you may do so instead). I have come up with the following hook:

• Bdote, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, centered on the confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi Rivers, was also the site of their exile from Minnesota.

Any thoughts? Sincerely —Alalch E. 19:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps adding *forced exile from Minnesota.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 21:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Done and posted. —Alalch E. 16:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Bdóte, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, centered on the confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi rivers, was also the site of their forced exile from Minnesota? Source:
   • Nelson, Cody (May 3, 2019). "Dakota aim to reclaim Fort Snelling, its history". MPR News. Archived from the original on September 6, 2023. Retrieved September 6, 2023.
   • "US-Dakota War of 1862". College of Liberal Arts. August 17, 2012. Retrieved January 14, 2024.
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  • Comment: About QPQ: I have three DYK credits (User:Alalch E.)

Created by Pingnova (talk), Oncamera (talk), and Alalch E. (talk). Nominated by Alalch E. (talk) at 09:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bdóte; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• An article that could be beautiful, with lots of potential. Most of the issues I have with this article are improvement issues that have no bearing on its eligibility for DYK. I recommend that you have it peer reviewed/copyedited and that you submit it for GA.
• New enough, moved from draft space on Jan. 10.
• Long enough, at almost 14,500 characters.
• Passed my spot check of the sources; seems to be neutral and copyright vio-free. There are some formatting issues with your refs, but that's an easy fix and is fine for DYK.
• There's been lots of activity after the article was created on the 10th, but it seems to have been resolved.
• Hook is fine.
• AGK on review claim.

Good to go, nice work. Best, Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 06:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Oncamera, Alalch E., Figureskatingfan, and AirshipJungleman29:, the hook says ... that Bdóte, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, centered on the confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi rivers, was also the site of their forced exile from Minnesota? I don't think that is correct as Fort Snelling is in Minnesota, so the Dakota were not yet exiled from Minnesota. Should "from Minnesota" be removed? TSventon (talk) 20:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see the third paragraph of Bdóte#Fort Snelling concentration camp. Fort Snelling lies within Bdote, and it is from this site within Bdote within Minnesota that they were exiled out of Minnesota. But honestly, "from Minnesota" doesn't change much because it's clear they were exiled from their ancestral lands even without "from Minnesota", and if removing those two words makes everything somehow clearer, that's fine. —Alalch E. 20:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand why "from Minnesota" should be removed since it's the Dakota name for their homeland and the new Seal_of_Minnesota#2023_redesign will likely have "Mnisota Makoce" added to it, which is the full name in Dakota. They were forcibly exiled from Minnesota after being kept at a concentration camp at Fort Snelling for the winter of 1862-63. It's why there's many Dakota reservations in Nebraska, North/South Dakota, Montana and Canada.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 01:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

On further investigation I think the hook is confusing rather than incorrect. I interpreted "the site of their forced exile" as "the place they lived in exile", but it is being used to mean "the departure point for their journey into exile". TSventon (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Please suggest a tweak to make it less confusing to you. —Alalch E. 14:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest ... that Bdóte, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, was also the site of the concentration camp where they were held before their forced exile from Minnesota? TSventon (talk) 01:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I think that's okay. @Oncamera, Figureskatingfan, and AirshipJungleman29: Pinging you for any comment about a possible hook change. —Alalch E. 09:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks ok with me.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 13:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Coauthor of your source

I agree Mni Sota Makoce: The Land of the Dakota is an amazing book. Please remember that Westerman's coauthor is Bruce White. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I removed one instance because it's a retelling of a Dakota creation story and there's no need to include a non-Dakota in that paragraph about it when Westerman's name is already wikilinked.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 21:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

An improvement, thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)