Talk:Beardmore Tornado

"17 tons for the five"?

What does this actually mean? Every five engines weighed 17 tons? Why use that particular number? Are there five engines per airship? Seems like a strange and mystifying phrase, and leaves the reader guessing as to the actual intent. I'm still not clear, merely assuming things. I doubt it's that there were only five engines built. A bit of clarification is needed. Why not just use simple figures, such as the weight for each engine, and perhaps the hp/lb rating, which will allow easy comparison with other engines. AnnaGoFast (talk) 20:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

It means that the five engines (as fitted to the airship) weighed 17 tons in total.

The point is that an airship designer doesn't care what "an engine" weighs, so much as the engines needed (and their nacelles) to provide the necessary power for the whole airship. So some might need five, or four or six. It's the weight on the ship that matters. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, can we make this clearer in the article? At least say why the number "five" is chosen? It seems like it should be made very clear to the reader. I surmised that is what it meant, but the reader really shouldn't have to wonder if he's getting it right or not. I've also never seen this system used on any other aircraft engine page. They don't rate the engines of a 747 by the total weight of 4 installed engines, do they? (yes, I know that this is a single-application engine, but we should be consistent, right?). And then the article goes on to say the engines were "six tons overweight". Again, I can surmise that this means that the total weight of five engines is six tons overweight, but it should state it clearly. Or at least say that the airship used five engines, otherwise the number appears to be completely arbitrary. It might not take much intelligence to figure it out, but we shouldn't rely on the reader to be able to interpret what the text is saying. AnnaGoFast (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

These are not "Beardmore Tornado engines" from the Beardmore catalogue of big off-the-shelf engines. They were the engines for the R101 airship, and nothing else (they were not good engines, no-one else wanted them). So of course there were five of them. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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