Talk:Beate Ulbricht

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the 1991 murder of Beate Ulbricht, the adopted daughter of Walter Ulbricht, remains unsolved? Source: "... in der Nacht vom 5. auf den 6. Dezember 1991, wurde Beate Matteoli in ihrer Lichtenberger Wohnung erschlagen aufgefunden. Die Umstände des Todes wurden nie aufgeklärt."([1])
  • ALT1: ... that Beate Ulbricht was subjected to harassment by the East German government because her adoptive parents, Walter and Lotte Ulbricht, did not approve of her marriage? Source: "Die Tochter blieb stur, bestand auf ihrer Liebe, heiratete im Oktober 1963 Ivanko Matteoli auf dem Pankower Standesamt und sah nun in das andere Bild „innigster Liebe“: Die Eltern Matteoli erhielten kein Einreisevisum. Die Ulbrichts blieben der Hochzeit fern. Nach der ertrotzten Eheschließung hatte sich die 19-Jährige in der Produktion zu bewähren, als Löterin im VEB Stern-Radio. Kein Studium mehr, keine Königsebene, vielmehr kategorischer Kontaktabbruch. Was einmal Lieblingsprojekt war und zur Megaprojektion taugte, war in Ungnade gefallen. Ab nun galt ein anderes Programm, das der reinsten Härte, dem die abgewiesenen Matteolis versuchten, zu entkommen. Im Februar 1965 wurde Tochter Patricia geboren, und es entstand der Plan, erneut nach Leningrad zu gehen, wo sie sich kennengelernt hatten. Ivanko Matteoli fuhr voraus, um die Übersiedlung vorzubereiten. Nur Stunden nach seiner Abreise wurde seiner Frau der Reisepass abgenommen, beider Post abgefangen, die Familie für zwei Jahre zwangsweise getrennt. In dieser Zeit bestand ihr Alltag vornehmlich aus Dauerkontroversen mit den Eltern, die die Trennung des Paares einforderten." ([2])
  • ALT2: ... that Beate Ulbricht spoke fondly of her adoptive father, Walter, but called her adoptive mother, Lotte, "the hag"? Source: "Beate was on a bottle of vermouth and sixty cigarettes a day. In the series [of interviews she gave German tabloid Super!], headlined, 'Nice Papa, Nasty Lotte,' she placed the blame for her fate squarely on Lotte Ulbricht, whom she called 'the hag.'" (Ghost Strasse: Germany's East Trapped Between Past and Present, p. 6)
  • ALT3: ... that shortly before her murder in 1991, Beate Ulbricht said in an interview that her adoptive father, Walter, was ordered by Stalin to marry Lotte Kühn? Source: "[Beate Ulbricht] maintained that Walter married the infertile Lotte only because Stalin told him to." (Ghost Strasse: Germany's East Trapped Between Past and Present, p. 7)

Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you, CurryTime7-24. An interesting article, and everyone loves a mystery. Just a few points. (1) QPQ needed. (2) The biography section is a wall of text, and - bearing in mind small screens and short attention spans - it needs to be broken up. So please could we have some subheadings, for example: parentage, adoption, education, relationships and marriage, interview and death. (3) The sentence "At age 2, Ulbricht suffered from health problems in her infancy" is repetitive; we don't need both age 2 and infancy. When those issues are resolved, this nom should be good to go. Storye book (talk) 16:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Will fix all the above issues later today. Thank you for reviewing my nom and for letting me know! :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Pinging CurryTime7-24. SL93 (talk) 07:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Storye book I fixed the issues and I'm donating Template:Did you know nominations/Suburbia (board game) as a QPQ. SL93 (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you, SL93, for so generously donating the QPQ and for fixing the issues with the article text. All is checked and fine.
• This nomination is good to go. I prefer ALt1 because unsolved mysteries are hooky, but the other hooks are OK too. Storye book (talk) 16:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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Promoting ALT1 to Prep 4 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Death is unsolved ... not sure if it's a murder

The German source used for her death says only that how she died is not known, not even that her death was a murder.

This source, Ghost Strasse: Germany's East Trapped Between Past and Present, by Simon Burnett, gives more details. It appears that her body was found in her apartment on the night of December 3, 1991, three days earlier than given in the article, after the neighbors had complained about loud arguments, barking dogs and many men coming and going. Her body had visible facial injuries. It was unclear whether she had died in a fall or been beaten, and apparently there was no effort to investigate, so the death remains unsolved (Lotte Ulbricht supposedly said, "Imagine that" when informed of her daughter's death.

I will add that to the article. Daniel Case (talk) 04:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)