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Beck's Bolero

Article about a song with almost no historical significance. -- Paul Richter 02:17, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Delete unless some form of notability established. -Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 02:21, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: Appropriate as a quick mention at either Jeff Beck or Jimmy Page, but this makes one think that Beck has written a Bolero. Geogre 03:16, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Keep: Needs to be expanded. DCEdwards1966 06:25, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, although it needs another paragraph or too. Pivotal rock and roll record as the Yardbirds morphed into Led Zeppelin; source of a long running feud between Beck and Page over who actually wrote it. The guitar riff is one that many metal heads move onto after they've mastered Smoke On The Water, Satisfaction and the intro to Stairway ... -- GWO
• Keep; trusting DCEdwards & GWO. Samaritan 19:01, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, needs expansion: only collaboration of a rather notable lineup (which led indirectly to the formation of Led Zeppelin), very innovative piece for the time (part of the birth of both heavy metal and progressive rock)... Not my sort of topic to write about, as a rule, but given that we have articles on quite a few individual songs/recordings, this one should be beyond a doubt. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:02, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep it. —[[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 04:44, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Keep Sjc 11:13, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Huge Keep pivotal in birth of prog rock. very important.
• Strong Keep groundbreaking recording that was even included in the list of songs that shaped rock n roll. Scieberking (talk) 16:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Mess with the bass?

In the introduction, John Paul Jones is mentioned, in the Personnel section below it is John Entwistle. Why it was changed? Saemikneu (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

John Entwistle did not ultimately show up so they used John Paul Jones. --Scieberking (talk) 09:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

songs containing Bolero.

There are a number of rock songs, where the guitarist puts in the 2 or 3 second signature motiff of Becks Bolero into the guitar solo, as a tribute to Jeff Beck. Is it within the scope of this article for me to list some of them?. 86.178.167.56 (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 17:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

• Hi there, let's not have this sit on the shelf for months, so I'll review this soon! FunkMonk (talk) 17:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this so soon. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Full person names for Beck and Moon in photo captions maybe? Seems a bit esoteric now.

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Any contemporary photo of Jimmy Page that could perhaps be included under production?

I wanted to, but a quick search didn't turn up any PD '66-'68 images. I'll continue to look. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• What are the dates for the events under background?

The only one I could find was in reference to the recording session (Power talks about it in Beck's solo career, which came later). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Although there is a disagreement about who came up with what" I'm not sure if links to sections within the same article are appropriate. In any case "easter egg links" are frowned upon.

I was told that linking in the same article was preferable to "see below". I think a note is needed, because this disagreement has been the subject of some contentious editing. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• "but "Beck's Bolero" is the only track to be released." Was?

Yes, changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Sometimes you use quotes, without attributing them to anyone, such as: Page is able take advantage of the instrument's "rich chiming quality to emulate the distinct, orchestral 'bolero' sound"

Most of these were added earlier and I'm trying to break the habit. Attributed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Same with "built on a persistent, repeating motif supported by a snare drum ... re-creating the Spanish 'bolero' dance pattern for full orchestra".

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Same: The third section "suddenly set[s] off from the main motif into a beautiful serene section highlighting slide-glissando guitars",

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Same: The amply-distorted guitar provides "a thick-toned, descending riff",[9] which modulates through higher keys. The break, inspired by the Yardbirds' rave-up technique, "eerily presaged the coming era of hard rock and heavy metal".

Done, although couldn't find the modulated ref, so I removed it. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Why does the following need a quote Snead of just paraphrasing: may have been "involved in some capacity at the session",[11]

I included it as a response to a recent edit; now seems that paraphrasing is sufficient. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Why a quote for so little: and replaced with several "cross-faded layers" of guitar effects

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Likewise: Beck "still lists 'Beck's Bolero' as one of his all-time favourites"[24]

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• "In 1968, Hopkins became a member of the Jeff Beck Group and Page started Led Zeppelin with Jones." Needs a source.

Added sources. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Jimmy Page used it in the medley portion of "How Many More Times" How did he "use it", because he played it in the same style? The wording is a bit ambiguous, some might even think he used part of the recording itself.

Clarified. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• The part about Page "using" the music would maybe make more sense earlier in the section, he is not just a random cover artist, he may even have done it as a reaction to the crediting troubles, no?

Agree that it is better earlier on. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• "one of the great rock instrumentals, epic in scope, harmonically and rhythmically ambitious yet infused with primal energy" There should be no text in the intro not found in the article.

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• "then only as the B-side to Beck's first single." Again, no easter egg links.

Changed (link more appropriate in release section). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that was a quick one! Only problem I see left is some times where something isn't linked at first occurrence, but that's hardly a show stopper for GA, so I'll pass it. FunkMonk (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again FunkMonk. I'll take another look at the links. Also, I moved the "Page used it" sentence to follow the formation of Zeppelin sentence. Revert/change it as you see fit. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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