Talk:Belarusian Democratic Republic/Archive 1

Archive 1

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• Capital city was Smalensk.

I am afraid you are mistaken. BSSR was proclaimed in Smalensk immediately before the Red Army crushed BNR. Mikkalai 15:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Name

Belarusian People's Republic in belarusian : Беларуская Народная Рэспубліка, eng. transliteration : Belaruskaya Narodnaya Republika. Wrongly translated as "Belarusian National Republic" , because national in belarusian is Националная.

Why not moving it to People's Republic then? Brugues 15:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• Please follow reliable sources in the English language and do not engage in wp:original research. You have mistaken National for Nationalist; two different words with two different meanings. Poeticbent talk 19:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

one contributor

Wikipedia contributor Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:

• http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/24/game-over/#comments
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rydel#.22kuban_coSSack.22

Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as Belarusian language, Belarusian history, Belarus, etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. --rydel 16:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Armed Forces

Armed forces are not a legal requirement for nationhood, as the article implies -- else Costa Rica would not be a country. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Influence today

Does the BNR have any influence over Belarusian politics today? Fishal 01:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Not english spellings

These names should be written in English alphabet. Letters č and Ž don't exist in English.

   * Jan Sierada (1918–1919)
   * Piotra Krečeŭski (1919–1928)
   * Vasil Zacharka (1928–1943)
   * Mikoła Abramčyk (1944–1970)
   * Vincent Žuk-Hryškievič (1970–1982)
   * Jazep Sažyč (1982–1997)
   * Ivonka Survilla (1997–present)

It's in Lacinka. 195.222.71.80 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Red Army crimes in Belarus starting from 1918?

The article lacks some information.

Ttturbo 08:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Government in exile

"Similar governments-in-exile of the neighboring countries (Lithuania, Poland and others) handed back their symbolic "authorities" to the corresponding independent governments in the 1990s, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The BNR council has not done this because it views the current Belarusian government of president Alexander Lukashenka as an anti-Belarusian, anti-independence, and an anti-democratic power."

What happened in 1990–1991 was exactly what the government of BNR in exile was longing for. (The authoritarian regime of Lukashenko was established only in 1995) So this does not explain why they didn't hand back their authorities to the new Belarusian government in 1991–1995. — Glebchik (talk) 16:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

"was" should be replaced with "is"

The article states that the government is still in exile, so wouldn't it still exist, even if only de jure?--CafeDelKevin (talk) 02:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Recognized

Germany have not recognized Belarusian People’s Republic. the links is not a good reference. " Belarusian People’s Republic was recognized by Lithuania, LOatvia, Estonia, Finland, Ukrainian People’s Republic, Czechoslovakia, and Turkey." When german recognized Belarus of an independant state ? http://www.terradelfuoco.org/pdf/uff-3_en.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.250.207.231 (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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Belarusian People's Republic → Belarusian National Republic – Per inline citation in English, and wp:verifiability. Present name (Belarusian People's Republic) is not supported by references in the English language. The only wp:rs citation clearly says BNR... not BPR. Please see applicable naming convention policies and guidelines for support. Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC) Poeticbent talk 18:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose.
  • " Present name (Belarusian People's Republic) is not supported by references in the English language." Well, it is:
    • http://www.kas.de/belarus/en/publications/31196/ an exhibition titled “Unknown Belarusian People’s Republic”
    • http://en.ehu.lt/en/events/show/exhibition-unknown-belarusian-peoples-republic An exhibition of newly discovered archival material entitled “Unknown Belarusian People’s Republic” is opening in Vilnius on March 23.
    • https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Belarusian+People's+Republic%22+-Wikipedia
  • same as for "Ukrainian People's Republic" Українська Народна Республіка
  • same as other translations of "Народная Рэспубліка" [1]
  • Narod means people, not? be:Народ links to en:people and has a see also "Нацыя" which is linked to "Nation". NVanMinh (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Narod means Nation, i.e. National, as in National Republic. Search results for "Belarusian National Republic" -Wikipedia amount to about 20,500 including Belarusian National Republic Anthem, Head of Belarusian National Republic government and Belarusian National Republic by The Journal of Belarusian Studies among countless others. Poeticbent talk 21:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

• "about 20,500" ... well for "Belarusian People's Republic" -Wikipedia I get 100 000 more: "About 126,000 results". NVanMinh (talk) 22:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Take a second look, please. Most of your results are from Belarus, not from the English-speaking countries. According to Google books, only about 279 results mention "Belarusian People's Republic" -Wikipedia. Less than the Belarusian National Republic. Poeticbent talk 01:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Then why you still have " wp:verifiability. Present name (Belarusian People's Republic) is not supported by references in the English language. "? NVanMinh (talk) 07:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Territory

What territory occupied BLR in the fact? The map shows the range from Bialystok to Smolensk, but actually BLR did not occupy this area. Can anyone explain this? Konarski (talk) 10:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Introduction to the Article

I had to replace the introduction to the article, because almost every sentence of it was incorrect. The BPR itself was proclaimed on 9 March 1918, not on 25 March, when it declared independence. It had several diplomatic missions, not only the one in Berlin (and the source to this claim says nothing about the Berlin mission being the only one), and the mission in Riga is even mentioned in the article itself. The SSR of Byelorussia was founded on 1 January 1919 in Smolensk, not Minsk. The government in exile wasn't formed "two years later abroad", it was the same old government of the BPR that continued its work in Vilnius and then moved between different European cities, becoming more of a political organisation than a real government. Its independence didn't correspond to the Brest-Litovsk treaty, nor was its demise connected with the fall of Minsk to the Soviets. Svawald (talk) 17:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• What you did, User:Svawald, is absolutely positively not acceptable by our standards. You removed references and replaced existing data with new claims which have no citations of any kind, whatsoever. This is called WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Sorry, Poeticbent talk 20:19, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

• Sorry, but I cannot but disagree with you. Did you read the citations? Number one directly contradicts the information it's supposed to support (about the SSRB being founded in Minsk on 5 January), number three only describes the BPR's mission to Germany without making any claims about it being the only one. If you insist, I will find the citations for my variant of the text, this topic is well-researched and those facts are one of the few that are not debatable in the BPR's history. --Svawald (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
• Would you consider the following variant? I cited the BPR Council's own site, where they display their original founding documents, and an academic study.

The Belarusian People's Republic (Belarusian: Белару́ская Наро́дная Рэспу́бліка, [bʲeɫaˈruskaja naˈrodnaja rɛsˈpublʲika], transliterated as Bielaruskaja Narodnaja Respublika, BNR), historically referred to as the White Ruthenian Democratic Republic (German: Weißruthenische Volksrepublik;) was a failed attempt to create a Belarusian state on the territory controlled by the German Imperial Army during World War I. The BNR existed in 1918-1919.

The BNR was declared on March 9, 1918 in Minsk, and two weeks later, on March 25, 1918 it was proclaimed independent. In 1919 it co-existed with an alternative Communist government of Belarus (the Socialist Soviet Republic of Byelorussia, which later became part of the Lithuanian–Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic), moving its seat of government to Vilno and Hrodna, but ceased to exist due to the capture of the whole Belarusian territory by the Polish and the Bolshevik forces during the Polish–Soviet War. Currently, its government in exile, the Rada (Council) of the Belarusian People's Republic is the oldest still existing.

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• I'm fine with whatever you choose to include for as long as the new (and revised) information is supported by corresponding new citations. Some citations, however, are better than others, according to WP:RS and WP:V/R so please keep that in mind also. The first-party sources are the least desirable and considered unreliable. Peer reviewed works are most reliable for our purposes. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 01:04, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

  Okay, thank you, then I'll use this variant. Although I must remind you that under WP:WHENNOTCITE we are not required to put citations in the lead, insofar as the information there is supported by the citations in the rest of the article (and although this article has a huge problem with citations, the information I had put is, in fact, referenced) and is not controversial. Svawald (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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