Talk:Belgaum/Archive 3

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Edit wars

This article is currently experiencing edit-wars. It may make sense to semi-protect it until the anons get tired of this game. Achitnis 14:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Achitnis. I have invited (in the edit summary) the anon to participate in the discussion. Hope that will put an end to edit-war. - KNM ^Talk 19:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

dont remove belgaon.

IMO, all parties involved should stop reverting each other. The article is not so bad that it should be semi-protected. Just don't revert and discuss here. - Aksi_great (talk) 06:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

belgaavi has more Kannada people than marathi. The Belgaum district was incorporated into the newly formed Mysore state (now Karnataka) with the passage of the States Reorganisation Act (1956), which reorganised India's states along linguistic lines despite having some Marathi-speaking population [4]; about one-fourths of the total population.[5]. Since then Maharashtra is claiming the district to itself and the case is now in Supreme court of India.

Revert

I reverted[1] edits by 59.95.28.241, because no rationale was provided for the changes made (changing the alphabetical order in which the languages were listed and removing the sentence about the Airport). utcursch | talk 08:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

belgaon has more marathi people so marathi name should come first.

That's not an explanation for removing information about the Airport. utcursch | talk 12:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandigarh has punjabi first than hindi. sorry for removing airport information.

Population / literacy rate errors

The article states population division as 51% male and 49% female, overall literacy rate as 78% and female / male literacy as 46% / 54%!!. Simple arithmetic shows that either the overall literacy rate is wrong or the literacy rate split is wrong.

54% of 51% (male literacy) is equal to 27.54%. 46% of 49% is equal to 22.54%. If you total the two you get 50.08%, which is well below the national average.

However, knowing Belgaum as I do, I am inclined to believe the 78% figure. Looks like the author has taken overall literacy rate from the latest census while quoting the male / female literacy split from an earlier census or a different source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsagar (talk • contribs) 09:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

Status

Please note that at this time, the city has NOT been renamed, following a central government order. Also it is untrue that Belgaum is to become the second capital of Karnataka - that was a suggestion that was never implemented. Achitnis 12:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The city is already renamed by Karnataka government as Belagaavi.Since a centre's involvement will only be for formality as it is completely under state's control and it's natural that state will oppose centre's decision if it makes any politics involving Shiv sena and Maharashtra congress as Sonia Gandhi did with President's post. When Cheif Minister is laying foundation for a legislative complex it can mean only one thing that is capital. Also read the news article carefully and wait for tomorrow. Kali-K 14:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kali-K,

Thanks you for your inputs. Unfortunately, they had to be undone. Let me explain why. Please note that Wikipedia does not give credence to original research or unverified claims. All we know for now is that the Central Government has refused to rename the city. Your arguments in the post above sound like your own opinions and conclusions, and regrettably, they cannot be the basis for adding information to the article. Also, neither your reference (New Indian Express) nor the official websites of the Government of Karnataka and the Belgaum City Corporation mention anything about Belgaum being made the second capital (I am not referring to mere announcements but the actual fact of the city being made the second capital). We have to stick to information that has already been published in mainstream, reliable sources. In light of this, I am sure you will appreciate why your inputs were rolled back. Thank you, Max ^{- You were saying?} 19:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Max

I do understand your request but you must understand one thing that Indian state centre relationship is not a prominent one. Even now there are quesitons over state reorganisation. Hope you have an idea of European countries and not a Central Govt for Europe. And we come in between American states and European Union. A home minister(Shivaraj Patil from Maharashtra raises objection over renaming a state district) and a political party president(Sonia Gandhi) commands here for country's President post and a Shiv Sena head (Bal Thackerey of Maharashtra) tells a outgoing President like Kalam as his term is over!But still they cover up their inability to do anything when two legislative assembly members from Maharashtra (Manohar Kini + one more) gets their faces black painted because they know they are doing politics over a place which hasn't seen development over 6 decades and when someone as enthusiastic as Kunaraswamy tries a change want to give him a opposition just to promote congress in Karnataka! When Maharashtra cannot look after Mumbai - known for underworld which has spread to other parts like wildfire and uncontrollable prostitution and highest AIDS cases and burgeoning population of over 8 crores!! why does it want an extra district. Today the Chief Minister of Karnataka (hope you understand what is chief minister to a state) has laid foundation for legislature there(google up for news. I won't post the link as it may not meet up your sources).This is India. Wake up Buddy.Kali-K 14:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kali-K,

Again, I must point you to the policies. Please read the policies of neutral point of view, verifiability and no original research which are a few of the pillars upon which Wikipedia is built. Whatever you said above are your own conjectures and opinions, and even if I or anyone else agrees with you personally, they do not make a difference to the encyclopedia. Remember, Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thoughts or self-made conclusions - it is only a collection of knowledge that already exists. You cannot draw your own inferences (e.g. since the Vidhana Soudha is being built, therefore Belgaum must be the second capital, or that it must be called "Belagaavi") and then put them up here. Theoretically, every sentence on Wikipedia needs a source - a reliable, verifiable reference that is the origin to which that sentence can be attributed. I know this sounds a bit bureaucratic, but it's the best way that keeps the Wikipedia project from descending into chaos. Right now, Belgaum has only been announced as the second capital, and this fact has been mentioned adequately.

Nonetheless, I have retained the info that you wanted to add about the Vidhana Soudha in the "Buildings" section. I have also commented out the line whose reference source link was dead.

It is not my intention to sound rude or condescending. I just wanted you to realize that basing your inputs on emotional rhetoric is not the way to build an encylopedia. Thanks, Max ^{- You were saying?} 18:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Great Saints in and Around Belgaum

Dear All, Can we elaborate some of the Great Saints in Belgaum District We can provide biographies on all of them too. This can also demonstrate the spiritual richness of Belgaum Some of them who can be included - Shri Shivabasav swamiji,Naganur matha,Belgaavi - Shri Murgod mahant swamiji, Murgod,Belgaavi - Shri Durdundeshwar nijalingeshwar swamiji,Nidasoshi,Belgaavi - Sri Kalavati Aai (Hari Mandir Angol Belgaum) - Shri Arabhavi math,Gokak,Belgaavi - Shri Swamiji of Inchal math,Bailhongal,Belgaavi - Shri Swamiji of Bootharaman Hatti, Belgaavi - Sri Panth Maharaj of Balekundari (Panth Balekundari Belgaum) - Sri Hari Kaka - Article on Visit of Swami Vivekanada in Belgaum - Sant Rajaram (Rajaram Temple in Goaves, Belgaum)

Let me know your views.

Regards, Raghavendra —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragha070 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

SEZ in Belgaum

There is a Special Economic Zone coming up for precision engineering. It will be good for the local economy as the Special Economic Zone will generate a lot of job opportunities and bring some big names in Aerospace, Automotive and Industrial engineering industries. More details are available on [2]Rahul.baliga 10:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)Rahul Baliga

Music

Belgaum, owing to its cultural mix of Karnataka, Maharashtra and Goa has a varied musical influence. Predominantly Bollywood films dominate most listening preferences on a general platform. Belgaum, however has its roots into Indian Classical Music, with greats like Smt Gangubai Hangal, Pt Bhimsen Joshi and a horde of others having performed here regularly. The SPIC MACAY organisational efforts often had a thronging audience to all Indian Classical events showcased proving Belgaum of its roots into more specific and serious music as well. Locally, Sri Bandu Master Kulkarni (tabla) and his son Santosh Kulkarni (tabla), also many more like Sri Sudhanshu Kulkarni (vocals, harmonium) have been fore runners in terms of organising local shows, training young children and college goers alike.

Belgaum, also growing up urban has its share of interest in Rock Music, with bands formed in Belgaum as early as in the late 70s. WREN was one of the first bands to feature from Belgaum and performing concerts at college gatherings and private events. Theo (from Camp) has been one of the popular guitar tutors and he has expertise in country, light blues and gospel music. Many bands were formed in the early nineties from both colleges Gogte Institute of Technology and the J Nehru Medical College. Remo, and his band performed to a packed audience in the early nineties in Belgaum and many Goan bands still perform at events in Belgaum. Some of the bands that were formed and played live music in Belgaum: WREN,

Uttangi and the paradoxides,

Dryness Fraction,

DemiUrge,

The Edge,

Antibiotic,

Krypt,

Konkrete,

Muzik Oxide,

Idioteque,

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Amar.kulkarni (talk • contribs) 12:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Bengaluru NOT Bangalore

As far as I know, the name of Bangalore has been changed to Bengaluru. So, all instances of Bangalore should be changed to Bengaluru. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.37.168 (talk) 06:05, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

      Kindly visit Banglore page for more information about this.

Literacy

I think the literacy numbers are incorrect. If 54% of men are literate and 45% of women, then how come total literacy is 78%??.

Leotolstoy 20:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

"about three fourths of total population"[8] -- This is simply not ture, the combined population of Kannada, Urdu and Konkani speaking people in belgaum city is more than the population of Marathi speaking people, please desist from including references that do not represent the fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.109.6 (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

"The lingua franca of the region is mostly Marathi and even the Kannada" The reference given is wrong, so I am not sure if this statement is even correct. Please remove such items that does not have proper reference.

Edit wars by User:Sarvabhaum

Please stop your edit war using an WP:SPA on this page. The order of transliteration is a trivial issue, and Kannada being the administrative language of the Belgaum deserves to be first. I am reverting it once again and if you continue your revert war, I will stop any further reverts as per WP:DFTT. You are free to continue your pointless reverts until an admin looks into this. Also, please stop terming content disputes as vandalism. -- Naveen ^(talk) 13:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked User:Bell Ga On indefinitely as a disruptive SPA and sock of User:Arya Rajya Maharashtra. - Aksi_great (talk) 13:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I confirm that this result was reached by me using CheckUser. Dmcdevit·t 06:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

On what basis have you blocked me. Who is Arya Rajya Maharashtra ? I am not a sock of anyone. And what disruptive edits did I make ? Please don't use administrator powers for wrong purposes. Bel Ga On 14:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Belgaon has more marathi people so marathi name should come first (see the article's border dispute sub-section)[3] and the marathi script should come first as it is more relevent that kannada. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandigarh where Punjabi is first followed by Hindi, naturally because Chandigarh has more Punjabis than Hindis. Sarvabhaum 04:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Marathi is a far more recent language than Kannada and also now there is no Belgaum its BELAGAAVI. At present Kannadiga and Marathi population are same. Sarvabhaum is spreading vandalism .Boycott him. Sarvabhaum is causing vandalism and

Removed comments by User:Sarvabhaum and "MAHANTESH KV" Swaroop (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

belgavi is not used by common people or newspapers It is still Belgaum for all 1. Belgaum has more Marathi population so Marathi should come first as in Chandigarh where Punjabi is before Hindi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.33.40 (talk) 06:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

The new name is not yet being used or approved by Central government. Search for Belgavi gives very few returns. Same is with Bangalore Also consider Marathi script first than Kannada script for the simple fact that Marathi speakers are more in number there.06:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed comments by User:Sarvabhaum and "MAHANTESH KV" Swaroop (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. Not the Maharashtra Assembly. Please refrain from using unacceptable language and publishing personal views. Regards. Swaroop (talk) 15:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Belgaum or Belagaavi?

Has Belgaum's name changed to Belagaavi officially? All citations regarding the renaming are worded in the future tense. Although the date of Nov 1 is long gone, there's no government or media website which says that the name is now Belagaavi for official purposes.

I've taken a cue from the Bangalore and Mangalore articles (because those cities are in the same boat) and have slightly modified the opening sentence. I hope it reflects the future tense reports of the cited sources more accurately.

Max ^{- You were saying?} 18:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen any official notice yet, so retaining the original name for now is probably prudent. It will be a decade before the new name is in common use. Achitnis 17:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. One just needs to be wary of the edits of language hawks who try to "put things right" :-). - Max ^{- You were saying?} 06:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit war started again regarding this. - Meghanand 06:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meghanand (talk • contribs)

Belgaum or Belagaavi?

Has Belgaum's name changed to Belagaavi officially? All citations regarding the renaming are worded in the future tense. Although the date of Nov 1 is long gone, there's no government or media website which says that the name is now Belagaavi for official purposes.

I've taken a cue from the Bangalore and Mangalore articles (because those cities are in the same boat) and have slightly modified the opening sentence. I hope it reflects the future tense reports of the cited sources more accurately.

Max ^{- You were saying?} 18:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen any official notice yet, so retaining the original name for now is probably prudent. It will be a decade before the new name is in common use. Achitnis 17:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. One just needs to be wary of the edits of language hawks who try to "put things right" :-). - Max ^{- You were saying?} 06:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit war started again regarding this. - Meghanand 06:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meghanand (talk • contribs)

Edit request from 125.16.94.129, 9 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Under the Economy of the City, Add the Textile Industry, mainly spread around Vadagaon, Khasbag areas. Here mainly Polyster, Silk and cotton mixed sarees are manufactured.

125.16.94.129 (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As per the rules at WP:CITE, you will need to provide a reference. This can be a book, website or other source, but it can't be a YouTube video or social networking page. I hope you understand and thank you. Chevymontecarlo. 17:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Education

Visvesvaraya Technological University http://www.vtu.ac.in/ VTU is one of the biggest Technological University in India, having 159 colleges affiliated to it with Under Graduate course in 27 disciplines and Post Graduate Programmes in 67 disciplines. The intake of UG level is about 45000 students and about 7500 at the PG level. The University has 14 QIP Centres in various affiliated colleges and 14 Extension Centres offering PG Programmes. There are over 200 department across the affiliated colleges recognized as Research Centres. At present over 1000 students / faculty have registered for Ph.D. degree and over 180 students have registered for M.Sc.(Engg. by Research). For the academic year 2007-08, the University has awarded Ph.D. degree to about 35 candidates and (M.Sc.(Engg.) degree to about 13 candidates. The University has MBA and M.Tech. Programmes at “Jnana Sangama”, Belgaum with more than 250 students. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sram26 (talk • contribs) 09:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

<Comment>: The section on the KLE education society written under education section seems little biased and reads almost like an eulogy. For one statement that KLE Engineer college is World Famous is nothing but far fetched. This section must be definitely edited. Apart from KLE there are other societies which have done good work in the field of Education in Belagavi. For Instance, KLS (Karnatak Law Society, Colleges GIT, GCC), SKE(South Konkan Education Society, GSS, SKE - most popular Science College) are older of these. Also should be noted, that some of these societies, which were to be run democratically, and conceived as such, are now being run/controlled by a single individual or a family - KLE being a best example in this case. New entrants like Balekundri, Angdi, JGI have their own education institutions. More popular among Engineering colleges atleast a few years ago was GIT going by the CET ranks that would chose between the two colleges. The current list of Engineering colleges in Belagavi HQ.

1. GIT (KLS societies, Gogte Institute of Technology) 2. KLE Societies Dr Sheshadri College of Engineering 3. A. M. Sheik Engineering College 4. Balekundri College of Engineering 5. Angadi College of Engineering & Management 6. JGIs Jain College of Engineering & Management 7. Maratha Mandal College of Engineering 8. One more (I just can't remember this now).

There are more engineering colleges in Talukas and other rural areas like Hukkeri, Nidshoshi etc.

-- This is just an information for developing this article futher - 122.179.63.234 (talk) 08:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC) ads

Requested move 2011

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Belagavi → Belagavi, India — This would make it consistent with other pages on Wikipedia.Ryan Vesey (talk) 17:49, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. There is only one Belagavi, so this is completely unnecessary. Contrary to the nominator's reasoning it would not make it consistent with other pages as standard Wikipedia policy (WP:TITLE) is to use the shortest unambiguous title, which in this case is the name of the city on its own. 86.6.193.43 (talk) 23:24, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
• Comment I realize that now, I had been confused because I was imagining the "city, state" method for writing many towns in America. I do think that the entire policy should be changed to reflect a city, country method; however, Wikipedians are usually very opposed to change. I do think this discussion can be closed because I was incorrect about the policy.Ryan Vesey (talk) 05:11, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
• I went ahead and removed the template for you. For the record though, I think I remember seeing something about US cities (Chicago, Los Angeles) being moved in the opposite direction, i.e. away from unnecessarily long names. Just something to keep in mind in case you propose new guidelines. Gonfaloniere (talk) 07:45, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Languages

I've semi-protected the page due to numerous editors changing information regarding languages without providing a source to support that information. All information on Wikipedia must be verifiable using a reliable source. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I just reverted two edits that deleted all mention of Marathi, including the citations to reliable sources. Here As mentioned above, this seems to be a real and ongoing problem. --Bejnar (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the language of the Belagavi City article

I have made an recent change's with an reference and it is a reliable source from The Hindu, if any one have any kind of question you can contact on my Talk page as it seem's we are having a Edit war on the Belgavi City article and we have to keep this dispute out of the Wikipedia and any one can contact me regarding the recent changes over this article.

Regards,

Akshay b patil (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 18 October 2014

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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Belagavi – Government of India on 17-Oct-2014 cleared renaming 12 cities and towns of the Karnataka state, eight years after receiving a proposal from Karnataka government, Belgaum as Belagavi. varma (talk) 11:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose WP:COMMONNAME. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 19:00, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose obviously not the commonly recognised name. —innotata 22:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

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- varma (talk) 11:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

References

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RFC on recent renaming of 11 Indian cities... use old or new names?

Discussion can be found here. Bgwhite (talk) 08:21, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Belgaum or Belagavi - I don't care, just make it clear

I can see that there's some disagreement on the title for this article. While I have no position on this, it's imperative that the relationship of the two names (and their existence!) be made clear to the reader. For someone who is unaware of what's going on (me, for example), the switching between Belgaum and Belagavi throughout the article with no explanation is intensely confusing. I would appreciate it if steps could be taken to clarify what's going on. Oreo Priest ^talk 10:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Does this article need "CE"?

I couldn't actually find what i could say as copyedit mistakes, therefore i will remove the template for it, and i would appreciate some feedback on the subject. Senewton1 (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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WHo cares Belagavi or Belgaum

The policy ststes that the common name to be used. However, this place is not that famous and is not known in the western speaking world. So shouldn't it be ok to rename this article to Belagavi as neither of the names are common, but on ename is officially recognized ? Btw, I personally didn't know such a place existed before. 31.215.192.164 (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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GADAG

49.249.4.72 (talk) 06:26, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 06:39, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Belgavi

Er @Ms Sarah Welch: While its true Britannica spells it as Belgavi, the official website spells it as Belagavi. Here is one the sources which spell it as Belagavi. King Prithviraj II (talk) 18:09, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

KP II: I am okay with including Belagavi as well, assuming we can find a more reliable published source. Is it a reliable website? See this, etc which used Belgavi spelling. I will add Belagavi as well, with a tag for now. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:21, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch: Yes, a note would be a good idea for now. I am not sure about this, but Indian Express has a report about the renaming being approved by the Supreme Court. This report spells it as Belagavi. Will that suffice as a source for the note for now ? King Prithviraj II (talk) 18:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

A Supreme Court press release or an official Indian government gazette / publication would be WP:RS indeed. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2017

Belagavi is the name which Government of India and Government of Karnataka has agreed upon. It has always been called Belagavi. If people want to read about Belagavi, they will be in a conclusion that the name of the city still remains Belgaum. Please update the page with the right name. Sumanthbs1988 (talk) 23:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Refer to the discussions on renaming above. If you're still unsastified wait when you make some edits and know how to request mor you can do that  — Ammarpad (talk) 03:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2017

change Machche to Machhe Marutibp238 (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 17:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2018

Manoj pattar (talk) 01:39, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Basappa Chikkladinni is the new Mayor of Belagavi

 Done Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 03:40, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Belagavi ಬೆಳಗಾವಿ

Belagavi is Karnatakas biggest district in area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djsourabh (talk • contribs) 10:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved as there is a consensus that Belgaum is still the WP:COMMONNAME. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bradv 22:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Belgaum → Belagavi – Belgaum was one of the 12 cities in Karnataka that had its name changed to a more faithful romanization of the local language name in October 2014. Unlike Bangalore, the new name has caught on since the last RM and its usage significantly outstrips the old one. The "News" tab of Google, which significantly favours newer sources, gives about 50,000 hits for "Belgaum", but over 200,000 hits for "Belagavi". This is also reflected in NewsBank, where a search for "Belgaum" with a date range of 1 August 2016 till this day gives about 900 results, but over 8,000 results for "Belagavi". Both names rarely feature in news outside of India, with results for all the continents (with Asia's total excluding India's, of course) are in single or low double digits. As per our policy of giving extra weight to reliable sources published after the name change, the article's name should be changed to "Belagavi". —Gazoth (talk) 05:03, 11 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 16:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment. Worldwide Google Trends, and for what it's worth, Google Trends for India and for Karnataka. Belgaum outpaces Belagavi in this data. Dekimasuよ! 05:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

With the caveat that it is search data, not reliable sources as preferred by WP:COMMONNAME. —Gazoth (talk) 08:41, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Belgaum appears to still be the commonest name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. The proposal includes the statement:-
  The "News" tab of Google, which significantly favours newer sources, gives about 50,000 hits for "Belgaum", but over 200,000 hits for "Belagavi"

I tried my own search, using Google's news tab, in English, as it is the common name in English that we follow.
Belgaum gave 49,500 matches, roughly the 50,000 mentioned above, whereas Belgavi gave just 1,540 hits, nowhere near the 200,000 claimed above.
Therefore, by the proposers own chosen criteria, Belgaum is 32 times more "common" than Belgavi, so should remain. - Arjayay (talk) 14:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Arjayay: There was a typo in your search term. It is supposed to be "Belagavi", not "Belgavi". —Gazoth (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out my mistake so politely, Belagavi does, indeed, have 212,000 results - I have struck my objection accordingly, and apologise for my mistake - Arjayay (talk) 19:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support both are still used, but it seems to me that Belagavi is slightly more common overall, and much more common among official sources. Interestingly, I find several sources that refer to Belgaum and Bengaluru ([4] [5]). power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose the old name is still most common in International media. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:54, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose excluding most govt/official sources, almost all the other sources using the new name are not WP:RS. Making the current name most common name in WP:RS. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Name

It may be time for us to revisit this move discussion. Six months ago, we determined that the old name for this town was still the common name. Since then, there have been many anonymous editors who tried to rename the article, and it is now protected to prevent disruption. The search results now are fairly evenly split between the two names, but the newer media articles all seem to prefer the name Belagavi. The Times of India, for example, uses the term Belagavi almost exclusively, using Belgaum generally to refer to the district or organization that still use the former name. Bradv🍁 12:50, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

It appears only anonymous users want to change the name. Any as of March 23, 2019, the name dispute is still continuing, but this time, changing the name throughout the article, so it's inconsistent with the title. I've reverted the changes as a reviewer consistent with consensus here, thereby inadvertantly entering into the content dispute. Blah! It's a legitimate dispute, nobody's right or wrong here. When I googled 'Belagavi', it returned results for 'Belgaum'! We need stability, and I'm voting to leave the name as is. Sbalfour (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Belagavi Pramod123123 (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2021

Please change the name to Belagavi 2409:4071:2390:10B2:147C:1428:4960:70BE (talk) 05:47, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: see previous requested move Interesting Geek (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2022

27.97.197.220 (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2022

Kindly request to add Veera Rani Kittur Chennamma and Veer Sangolli Rayanna photo along with Chatrapaji Shivaji Maharaj Amey400 (talk) 07:39, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 💜  melecie  talk - 10:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

May 2022

@More eminence: Do not use unreliable sources in the article. Go through WP:RS and WP:RSN, About Belgaum is not a reliable source. Secondly, do not put unsourced content, third do not falsify content like you did by replacing pop figures for Kannada with Marathi. This kind of POV is not entertained in WIkpedia. Discuss your concerns here and seek WP:CONSENSUS per WP:BRD. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Those are not just unreliable source but if come and ask any old age members of the city they would reply you the same . I myself born and brought up in the city , so I know much better about it than any one. Look like you are against the marathi voice!? More eminence (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

And about the MES article, whats the problem with you about the ideology they follow? They can follow any ideology who are u to stop them ? . Listen my dear friend you might be an expert in Wikipedia but I am an resident of the city so please I know what am I editing. You people just don't want marathi to be recognised by people and spread hatret More eminence (talk) 13:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: Wikipedia articles are properties of Wikipedia and not of any organisation or a person. Thus, the articles should follow the policies and guidelines laid by Wikipedia, including WP:V, usage of reliable sources WP:RS, no original research and maintenance of WP:NPOV, among others. In other words you are not a reliable source. Secondly, maintain WP:CIVILITY when conversing, comments like "Look like you are against the marathi voice", "You people just don't want marathi to be recognised by people and spread hatret", will get you into trouble.

Third as for the Maharashtra Ekikaran Samiti, per WP:NOINDICSCRIPT, Indian scripts are not allowed in article leads and infoboxes, This specific article is not a special case. It is done in every India-related article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: This falsification of source data is exactly the thing that can get you blocked. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok about the script of MES why are you editing the ideology? They can follow any ideology they want Why are you editing it ?

More eminence (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: If the 'Karnataka occupied Maharashtra' part you added here can be sourced then re add that with a citation. I removed it since it was unsourced and looked very much POV. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Is this an sufficient source to do so ?? More eminence (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/will-incorporate-karnataka-occupied-areas-into-maharashtra-uddhav/article33592882.ece More eminence (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: Yeah you can use the above source to add the 'Karnataka occupied Maharashtra' part in Maharashtra Ekikaran Samiti I believe. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks brother! Can you please tell my why was image of Sambaji Maharaj removed from belgaum post ? More eminence (talk) 01:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Is the Sambhaji statue located in Belgaum? The image description didn't say anything like that. Previously, I removed a similar image of a statue of Sambhaji located in another city. Only images of locations, buildings, statues, institutions from the city of Belgaum should be added. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes ! Dharmaveer Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj chowk is the most important circle in the city . It's located at the centre of city and its a pride of city , I had uploaded an other photo just because it was clear You can check on Google maps (Dharmaveer Sambhaji Maharaj Chowk VG55+P6F, Kirloskar Rd, Raviwar Peth, Belagavi, Karnataka 590001) And one photo need to be uploaded is about the most famous garden in Belgaum which is an important landmark of the city ! With your all permission can I add that photo to ? Please verify on maps (Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaja Garden RGX8+2W3, Kapileswar Colony, Shahapur, Belagavi, Karnataka 590003,) Please guide me sir More eminence (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: The image you posted before is a statue of Sambhaji in Pune. The full image is this. We need an image of Statue in the Dharamveer Chowk in Belgaum with proper licensing / free licensing.

As for the garden, please link it here in the discussion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

File:Dharmaveer Chatrapati Sambaji Maharaj Chowk , Belagav.jpg Will this be the required image?

And about garden you said I really didn't get what you meant, so please can u tell me once more! More eminence (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

The image is More eminence (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: I have added the Dharamveer Chowk image you provided in the infobox with proper formatting. As for the garden, I was asking whether you have that uploaded in commons? IF yes link it here like you did with above image. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

First I really thank you brother for uploading that image and would like to say sorry also for being rude to you ! You have helped me understand Wikipedia in a better way and would always remember it

So about the Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj garden The images are And More eminence (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Image <ref>File:Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj garden belgaum 4.jpg<\ref> More eminence (talk) 18:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence:I've added this one, since the venue is a garden and should a bit of the surroundings per my opinion. Are these pictures clicked by you? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you sir ! Sir can this article of Deccan Herald be suitable for the edit of cuisine of belgaum . Like in Belgaum north karnataka food is not common,it's a mixture of Maharashtra,goa and karnataka. Also puran poli , vad pav etc which I had edited but you reversed it , please guide me whether those edits can be remade using this source? <red>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/melange-cuisines-717547.html<\ref> More eminence (talk) 02:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Sry this one <ref>https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/melange-cuisines-717547.html<\ref> More eminence (talk) 02:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

//www.google.com/amp/s/www.deccanherald.com/amp/melange-cuisines-717547.html More eminence (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I've updated the Cuisine section as per the content in the source you provided. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello friend What's the reason for the removal of karnataka occupied Maharashtra post? Is not a part of city or its same fake news to you ? Can you please tell me what's wrong with it ? More eminence (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk:Hello friend What's the reason for the removal of karnataka occupied Maharashtra post? Is not a part of city or its same fake news to you ? Can you please tell me what's wrong with it ?

More eminence (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Hello friend What's the reason for the removal of karnataka occupied Maharashtra post? Is not a part of city or its same fake news to you ? Can you please tell me what's wrong with it ? More eminence (talk) 18:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@More eminence: Check my revision [6] and the accompanying edit summary. The term was said by Thackeray in the source, so I've added it in the paragraph and did not remove it. It should not be part of the section header. Belgaum border dispute is enough, also we do not put sources in the headers per guidelines. Secondly, it should be part of the Government and politics main section since the dispute is a political one. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

First thing let me tell you it's not just a political one , it's a dispute which even common people of the city aslo participate with any political intentions. It's a part of city since independence and city has got national recognition for this dispute which is between two States.Secondary when uddhav Thackeray says it he was a chief minister of a state which means it was a voice of 12 crore population of Maharashtra whom he represents and not a single person.Even this issue is acknowledged in the Maharashtra assembly also so it's not a small topic as you think . And yes link in header is wrong and I accept it but it should be a seperate header. Hope you got my point brother More eminence (talk) 18:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia has its own rules which are different from the politics and other things of the region the Wikipedia article is dealing with. Secondly, this is an article on Belgaum city not an article on the border dispute, thus only major changes relating to it should be added. You have added unsourced content, it should be removed, or better expand it in the Belgaum border dispute article with sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Sure I totally respect to the rules of Wikipedia.But just wanted that the dispute is an important aspect of belgaum city , it's not a simple political agenda for sure . Thanks for your all time support. But just wanted the header to be mentioned as "karnataka occupied Maharashtra" as well because this is the name by which local people reffer it to and even entire Maharashtra as reffer it as same , so I request you to kindly permit me to mention "karnataka occupied Maharashtra" in the header as well . And always you support and suggestions. More eminence (talk) 22:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

No, Karnataka-occupied Maharashtra or Karnataka-occupied areas is most likely used by Marathi speakers only, and not by Kannadigas or anyone else in the world most likely. So it is a POV term used by certain people, thus should not be allowed per our WP:NPOV. Consider a similar situation on a broader scale → Azad Kashmir. It is the official name of the administrative region in Pakistan, but India calls it Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, a term not used in the article, and is only used in context in prose. Similarly Belgaum border dispute is the article name (WP:COMMONNAME), there is no reason why we should modify the subsection name into certain POV when the article's name itself doesn't use the phrase Karnataka-occupied Maharashtra. Karnataka-occupied Maharashtra as a phrase is only suitable in the prose of the section, which I have sourced and copy edited per Uddhav Thackeray' comment. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok I accept it sorry More eminence (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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