Talk:Belgorod

Mistake

Hy. I found that mistake in the text: 'Peter the Great visited it on the eve of the Battle of Poltava, and a dragoon regiment was stationed in the town until 1917.' - That cannot be a real data, because Peter the Great died in 1725. Please, who knows that correct it. Thanks: Ferike333 ✍^V I T A —Preceding comment was added at 14:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the intent of the article was to say that Peter the Great visited in 1709, and ordered a dragoon regiment to be assigned to the city to guard it. That dragoon regiment remained based at the city from 1709 to 1917. Jimindc (talk) 16:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Another corrections

The Liberation Day is August, 5th (not August, 22nd). (http://www.beladm.ru/town/about/). The population is 356 400 (2010 Census) (http://www.perepis-2010.ru/results_of_the_census/pril4.xls) Mayor ('Head of Administration') is Sergey Andreevich Bozhenov (http://www.beladm.ru/syndic/biography/) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.62.160.145 (talk) 18:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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Shorten 1593-1596

I would think the article would benefit greatly by shortening the long discussion of whether Belgorod was founded in 1593 or 1596 to a single sentence. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 07:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Clunky Diction

This whole article is written like a bad Google Translate from a Russian source. It needs to be entirely rewritten and properly proofread. An example is: "there was a small lake, which, according to Kvasov was supposed to fall asleep" which makes absolutely no sense. Maybe someone who reads Russian could compare the original article to this one and notate all the differences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimindc (talk • contribs) 16:34, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I concur, and I note that it's not appropriate to narrate about the quality of various sources or theories within the text, unless such assertions are themself proven and cited. The categorization between history and geography is also clumsy at best, and confusing as it does not follow a chronological order throughout the article. The sections from 20c onward are written in a better, clearer style and need less work imo. 122.111.201.124 (talk) 01:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Update

It is acroding to this App Grayvoron - Google Maps and also https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-defectors-say-they-ve-seized-belgorod-towns-vow-to-liberate-russia/ar-AA1bwaif?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1757e69c29be471e894a7c88efd894a5&ei=8 77.29.231.221 (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2023

Add this sentence to the final paragraph of 20th and 21st centuries

"On May 22nd, The Freedom of Russia Legion claimed on its social media channels that it had, alongside the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC), "completely liberated" the settlement of Kozinka in Belgorod, and that its units had entered Graivoron."

Source: [1] Jeremypenguin (talk) 19:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jeremypenguin: Pending I will add this information shortly, though I may adjust the specific phrasing. Please anticipate me pinging you again to ensure you find the added text satisfactory. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

There was no attack on the city of Belgorod, only an incursion into Belgorod Oblast. Hence, it does not belong in this article. Mellk (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mellk and Jeremypenguin: I was in the middle of adding the information from the Newsweek article to the oblast article as you replied. Please see my edit here to see what I added. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes that is fine for now, but it should be clarified as "in Belgorod Oblast". Otherwise it sounds like a place within this city rather than the region. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Good eye. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Spelling

The more standard modern spelling in Ukrainian is "Бєлгород", see for example Великий тлумачний словник сучасної української мови. It is misleading to just have "Білгород" (older spelling for this particular city). Obviously a map from 100 years ago cannot be used for the modern spelling. It is better to include these spellings in the name/etymology section instead with context. For the same reason we cannot use pre-reform spellings such as "Бѣлгородъ" in the lead. Mellk (talk) 11:25, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I would argue that, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), the inclusion of the Ukrainian translation is not warranted at all. Currently, the Ukrainian minority comprises only 2% of the population of the city, historically it not being much higher (5% in the 1897 census). Proximity to the border isn't really a valid reason. --Glossologist (talk) 17:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Well I do not see an issue with including it in a name section due to historical ties. Mellk (talk) 04:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

"Historic ties" (something that is also vague and difficult to objectively measure) is not a sufficient reason for adding a foreign name in the lead of an article per community guidelines. An article lead is not meant to function as a dictionary. --Glossologist (talk) 13:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I mentioned a name section, not the lead. Mellk (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2023

Add under HISTORY, today's date, and first Russian city to be taken in pro Ukrainian Russian troops joined by disguised Ukrainians wearing Russian uniforms. 2607:FB91:E95:DA58:38BF:8FA3:6233:9515 (talk) 00:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done No source provided, technically incorrect per what sources I've found. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Corrections needed

In this section, Ukraine is held responsible for deaths in Belgorod with no ambiguity, and sources don't back up these claims. Some of these sources cite Russian officials who are notorious liars.

"On 30 December, a Ukrainian airstrike killed 25 people and wounded over 100. In March 2024, authorities began evacuating 9,000 children from the city and wider region due to shelling and drone attacks. On 6 May, at least six people were killed following a Ukrainian drone strike. On 12 May, at least nine people were killed when a section of an apartment block collapsed following a Ukrainian missile strike."

Paragraph should make it clearer that Ukraine wasn't necessarily responsible 0lida0 (talk) 07:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

"Russian authorities have evacuated the first 300 Belgorod residents to neighboring locations, after repeated Ukrainian shelling of the town. Belgorod... has been the target of Ukrainian attacks for approximately two weeks almost on a daily basis, as a response to increased Russian shelling of targets in Ukraine." [2]

"Belgorod has been regularly targeted by Ukrainian drone and missile attacks since Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022."[3]

It does not seem to be controversial to state that Ukraine has been launching attacks on the city? Mellk (talk) 08:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

"the Ukrainian military has unofficially declared that the attack had indeed been directed at Russian military facilities" - the article says the deaths were "due to a "fatal mistake" during the operation of the Russian air defense system". 0lida0 (talk) 11:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)