Talk:Bell of King Seongdeok

Name

Tortfeasor asked me about what to title this article, so here are the results of my cursory research:

• The Gyeongju Museum's English website and the Korean National Heritage website both use Seongdeokdaewangsinjong. This orthography, however, only returns 15 Google results. According to Korea Land Portal and one or two other ROK government sites, the official name is "Bell of King Seongdeok the Great."
• In November 1996 there was an "International Conference on the Divine Bell of King Songdok" in Seoul, whose proceedings were published in the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. "Bell of King Seongdeok" is also used by Arts Council Korea. So I did a Google query of "Bell of King Seongdeok" OR "Bell of King Songdok" OR "Bell of King Song-dok" OR "Bell of King Sungduk" OR "Bell of King Sung-duk" to cover the various romanizations (Google treats hyphens as spaces), returning 792 results. Around a third of those take the specific form "Divine Bell of King [...]"
• Reversing the word order, there were 685 results on "King Seongdeok bell" OR "King Songdok bell" OR "King Song-dok bell" OR "King Sungduk bell" OR "King Sung-duk bell".
• All Yonhap references I found say it is "more commonly called Emille Bell." A Google query on "Emille bell" OR "Emilae bell" returns 659 results.

Google tests are of course a very imprecise measure of use, but it seems the current name is uncommon among English speakers. A title which indicates at least that the object is a bell will be more useful to English readers; a shorter name would also be easier to spell and link. IMHO then, I would make the title of the article Bell of King Seongdeok, since "Emille bell" is merely a nickname and not overwhelmingly more popular. We can then note all of these names in the introduction and create any needed redirects.-choster 14:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Choster: Thanks for the response. So I guess Bell of King Seongdeok or Divine Bell of King Seongdeok would probably be best? Tortfeasor 23:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

since it seems there is no established english name, my thought would be either Divine Bell of King Seongdeok the Great (for completeness) or Bell of King Seongdeok (for brevity), slightly leaning towards the latter. Appleby 00:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Brevity is good. I'd support "Bell of King Seongdeok." I would have thought that "Emille Bell" was more common -- but not so, apparently. -- Visviva 12:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Should I make a new page? Is that the propert way to do it? With the new page being Bell of King Seongdeok based on the consensus and brevity with redirects for the other names? Tortfeasor 05:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Please move the article rather than creating a new page. See meta:Help:Moving a page on wheels! for help. --Kusunose 06:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Tortfeasor 06:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Rung?

Is it ever rung? Badagnani 02:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Korean article says it was rung on and off between 1992 and 2003. The Korean article says it's forbidden now. --Kjoonlee 12:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)