Talk:Benjamin Kapelushnik
Latest comment: 3 years ago by GregZak in topic Russian marking bar mitzvah is nonsense!
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 | A fact from Benjamin Kapelushnik appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 April 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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- ... that at age 16, Benjamin Kapelushnik, also known as "Benjamin Kickz", made an estimated US$1 million in sales by selling highly exclusive sneakers? Source: Fortune: "Age: 16. The business: Sneakerdon.com is an online sneaker resale marketplace that caters to fans of high-end exclusive, rare and limited sneakers. With a roster of celebrity clients including DJ Khaled, it’s estimated Kapelushnik will bring in about $1 million in sales this year."
- ALT1:... that at age 16, Benjamin Kapelushnik, also known as "Benjamin Kickz", sold sneakers to celebrity clients such as DJ Khaled, Drake, Travis Scott, Floyd Mayweather and Kevin Hart? Source: GQ : "...business is well and truly ‘boomin’ for 16 year old sneaker dealer Benjamin Kickz...yet his big time break came at the end of 2014, when a customer introduced him to DJ Khaled...With clients reading like a who’s who of Hip Hop, including Drake, Rick Ross, Travis Scott, Future to even actors and sports stars like Floyd Mayweather and Kevin Hart, Ben remains level headed...
- Comment: First DYK nom.
Created by Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk). Self-nominated at 05:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC).
- First DYK nom? Confirmed. So you are QPQ exempt and I'll be gentle.
The article is new, long enough, and well sourced. ALT0 is verified. ALT1 is not, as you put Kevin Hart and Future in the hook but they're not mentioned in the article body. The GQ source includes Kevin Hart and Future, and Rick Ross too. So, either add Hart and/or Future to the article, or remove them from the hook. The article appears to be written neutrally, and I did consider it carefully given there's an assault involved in the biography. You made good use of the word "allegedly" and other ways of indicating innocence until proven guilty. I don't think I've ever seen a hook link to the same article twice, so I believe that should be edited to either Benjamin Kapelushnik, also known as "Benjamin Kickz"
orBenjamin Kickz
. I don't know if you have a preference there, Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d. ALT0 is good to go, ALT1 could be with minor changes. Congrats on your first DYK article. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the review Muboshgu! He sold shoes to dozens of celebrities, so I really had to pick and choose carefully which ones to include in the article. I added Hart in the article and I'll remove Future from the hook. Are you saying it would appropriate to solely refer to him as Benjamin Kickz in the hook? I would prefer we link and bold Benjamin Kapelushnik (since that's the article title) and then add
also known as "Benjamin Kickz"
in quotes and unlinked. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)- ALT1 is approved now. I have no preference on which hook to use. He could be identified in the hook either way. Some of the sources you presented list him as "Benjamin Kickz" in their title, so it would be fine to present him that way. It would have to be piped though per MOS:DYKPIPE. I have revised the above hooks to match DYK formatting, without changing content. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the review Muboshgu! He sold shoes to dozens of celebrities, so I really had to pick and choose carefully which ones to include in the article. I added Hart in the article and I'll remove Future from the hook. Are you saying it would appropriate to solely refer to him as Benjamin Kickz in the hook? I would prefer we link and bold Benjamin Kapelushnik (since that's the article title) and then add
Russian marking bar mitzvah is nonsense!
editThe article has two contradictory statements: 1) he is the son of Russian immigrants; 2) he had bar mitzvah money, which means he is Jewish, not Russian: bar mitzvah is a rite of Judaism, while Russians for over a millennium have been (Eastern Orthodox) Christians and do not celebrate Judaism rites. Please correct. GregZak (talk) 19:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- GregZak, um, Russian Jews exist. Most of them live in Israel or in America. You can read about them here: History of the Jews in Russia. This article is also pretty gruesome. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Dr. Swag Lord, Russian Jews exist? Certainly. I am one genetically myself. But it is wrong to say Russia's Jewish = Russian because the primary meaning of Russian is the easternmost Slavic ethnicity. In my mother tongue Russian there are two different words with different stems for 1.the Slavic ethnicity (русский /ROOS-skeey/ in the masculine nominative/) and 2. a native of Russia of any ethnicity (россиянин /ros-see-YA+nin/) - an umbrella term like British over English and Scottish, or American / US national/ US citizen / US-born. The confusion lies with the English word Russian. We were called before 1991 another umbrella term "Soviet people". Translation into Russian of the word Russian can often be wrong, using the ethnic designation. Also to be Jewish is ambiguous in English and may cause misunderstanding, at least in translation into Russian where there are two different words 1) еврей /yev-REY/ for a male representative of of Jewish ethnicity (yes, traditionally of one particular religion, Judaism), and 2) иудей /ee-oo-DEY/ for a Judaism believer, which is not necessarily the same now and can cause misunderstanding. The boy must be quoted as a/the son of [Jewish] emigrants / immigrants from Russia, not just Russian. GregZak (talk) 05:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- GregZak, Thanks for that. So are you now saying you want the article to say:
Kapelushnik is the son of Jewish Russian immigrants
? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 05:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- GregZak, Thanks for that. So are you now saying you want the article to say:
- Dr. Swag Lord, Russian Jews exist? Certainly. I am one genetically myself. But it is wrong to say Russia's Jewish = Russian because the primary meaning of Russian is the easternmost Slavic ethnicity. In my mother tongue Russian there are two different words with different stems for 1.the Slavic ethnicity (русский /ROOS-skeey/ in the masculine nominative/) and 2. a native of Russia of any ethnicity (россиянин /ros-see-YA+nin/) - an umbrella term like British over English and Scottish, or American / US national/ US citizen / US-born. The confusion lies with the English word Russian. We were called before 1991 another umbrella term "Soviet people". Translation into Russian of the word Russian can often be wrong, using the ethnic designation. Also to be Jewish is ambiguous in English and may cause misunderstanding, at least in translation into Russian where there are two different words 1) еврей /yev-REY/ for a male representative of of Jewish ethnicity (yes, traditionally of one particular religion, Judaism), and 2) иудей /ee-oo-DEY/ for a Judaism believer, which is not necessarily the same now and can cause misunderstanding. The boy must be quoted as a/the son of [Jewish] emigrants / immigrants from Russia, not just Russian. GregZak (talk) 05:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the meaning is just that. (Although I cannot quite adapt to the usage of Russian in English indiscriminately outside the Slavic ethnicity, but I probably have, while the other day I exploded over a related question on Quora asking whether Poles could be called Russians because they were part of Russia once). GregZak (talk) 05:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- GregZak, brat, I wouldn't have a problem doing that. However, reliable sources have to actually state that Kapelushnik is a son of Jewish Russian immigrants. As of right now, I don't have any reliable sources stating that he is Jewish. Obviously, since he had a bar-mitzvah he is Jewish, but we can't actually write that he is Jewish since that would be a form of orginal research. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 05:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the meaning is just that. (Although I cannot quite adapt to the usage of Russian in English indiscriminately outside the Slavic ethnicity, but I probably have, while the other day I exploded over a related question on Quora asking whether Poles could be called Russians because they were part of Russia once). GregZak (talk) 05:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, Russian Jewish or Jewish Russian... American... Whatever -
as long as he is not an ethnic Russian marking bar mitzvah - until proven both. Although converts occasionally appear, but I believe they are adults, a rarity. GregZak (talk) 13:37, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Should StockX be in the "See also" section? As far as I can tell, it's completely unrelated to Kapelushnik: it's just a business that operates in the same field. According to MOS:ALSO the "articles linked should be related to the topic of the article." pburka (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Pburka, How are they not related? Kapelushnik sells high-priced sneakers. StockX is one of the largest platforms in the world where you can buy/sell high-priced sneakers. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Does Kapelushnik sell on their platform? Or is StockX an unrelated business operating in the same field? Imagine if every page about a restaurant had a "see also" link to McDonald's (one of the largest chains of restaurants in the world where you can buy food). pburka (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Why would he have to sell on their platform? Unlike Mcdonald's or the restaurant industry, sneaker reselling is a very niche market. How many other sneaker resellers have their own WP page? How many other sneaker businesses have their own WP page? StockX is referenced in this article on Kapelushnik. And the owner of StockX estimated Kapelushnik's net worth in this Forbes article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- It looks kind of like advertising to me, but if you're convinced it should be there, consider adding an explanation as suggested in MOS:ALSO, "when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent." pburka (talk) 23:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ok will do! Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- It looks kind of like advertising to me, but if you're convinced it should be there, consider adding an explanation as suggested in MOS:ALSO, "when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent." pburka (talk) 23:52, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Why would he have to sell on their platform? Unlike Mcdonald's or the restaurant industry, sneaker reselling is a very niche market. How many other sneaker resellers have their own WP page? How many other sneaker businesses have their own WP page? StockX is referenced in this article on Kapelushnik. And the owner of StockX estimated Kapelushnik's net worth in this Forbes article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Does Kapelushnik sell on their platform? Or is StockX an unrelated business operating in the same field? Imagine if every page about a restaurant had a "see also" link to McDonald's (one of the largest chains of restaurants in the world where you can buy food). pburka (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)