Talk:Benjamin Sellers

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because it pulls from a wide variety of source materials linked in the article itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauraachilders (talk • contribs) 08:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Comment DoubleGrazing Earwig gives 10% and 30% on two sites, and I can't see that it's a copy of the page you've linked either, so i've declined the G12 for now. Have I missed something? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: Please explain where did you see a copyright violation? At the submission time, the article was quite short, and on a quick skim I cannot find that any of its contents is taken verbatim from the sources. No such user (talk) 08:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@No such user, @Jimfbleak: the 2nd para ("Sellers came to America...") seems to be cobbled together from this source, and the 2nd sentence of the 1st para from this. Remove those, and it's debatable whether there's a viable draft left, hence why I asked for G12 rather than revdel. Or that was my logic, at any rate. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

That's a big "meh" from me. Two sentences of overly close paraphrasing that could be solved with normal editing, and G12 would be akin to using an ballistic missile to kill a mosquito. Do we require all drafts to be perfect? No such user (talk) 09:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing, No such user, and Lauraachilders:, Double grazing, I see what you are getting at now, although stitching together facts from different parts of a text is harder to evaluate than just copying a block of text. Nevertheless, if you wish to revert my G12 decline, that's fine with me, and it will ensure that a different admin makes the call one way or another Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

That certainly does not satisfy G12 criterion where there is no non-infringing content on the page worth saving. Only if the history is unsalvageably corrupted should it be deleted in its entirety;. No such user (talk) 09:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I've no need to dispute this, @Jimfbleak, I'll just scurry along. :)

And @No such user: no, we don't "require all drafts to be perfect", far from it, but we do need to check them for some basic issues, and copyvio is one of them. Or if you know better, please do enlighten me. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

One certainly should check for copyvios. But when you find only two sentences carelessly copied (and not even in its entirety), taking a gentle word with the author would be much preferred to tagging the entire article with G12 and leaving a scarying template on their talk page. That's how we chase away new editors for good. No such user (talk) 09:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

As a new user I must admit I was a little scared! But I have since attempted to improve this through copy edits and linking to even more sources. I have a recent fascination with this stained glass artist so it would be cool to see the page succeed -- totally receptive to further feedback! Lauraachilders (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@No such user @DoubleGrazing @Jimfbleak I tried to edit so as to not so closely mimic the language. Am I closer? :-) Lauraachilders (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lauraachilders: It's good enough for me, and I'm going to accept the article. Thank you for your work, I hope you stay around! No such user (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)