Talk:Bennett Building (New York City)

Formatting changes - detrimental

@Beyond My Ken: I appreciate the work you are putting into this, but can we please collaborate, and discuss optimizing the page, instead of writing over each other and choosing one vision over another arbitrarily? Some of your changes undid changes that I made that I thought benefited the article. Your recent changes include the following:

• Put the long sentence describing the multiple frontages and addresses into the main text. I had moved it to a note because it is a relatively unimportant detail and clutters the text, especially in the lede. I left in a description of its location.
• Combined two headings in the main text. I added separate headings because 1) it made it easier to read, and 2) it made organizational sense.
• Changed around headings in the footnotes. I don't think they make sense the way they are now - the notes (one note now due to a chnage you made) is not a reference, but not it is inside "references."
• Some other changes that I'm fine with.

Shall we discuss? I'm committed to dialog with you rather than just making changes myself without consulting. Dovid (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vincent60030 (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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Bennett Building

• ... that the Bennett Building (pictured) has been described as being probably the world's tallest building with a cast-iron facade? Source: Landmarks Preservation Commission p. 4
  • ALT1:... that the Bennett Building was characterized as "an unfortunate experiment" in real estate after its owner disappeared? Source: NY Tribune 1904
  • ALT2:... that due to an unpaid water bill, officials disconnected a pipe in the Bennett Building while patrons were using a bathhouse in the building? Source: NY Times 1906
  • ALT3:... that the Bennett Building (pictured), described as "once one of New York's notable skyscrapers", is probably the world's tallest building with a cast-iron facade? Source: NY Times 1996

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Laura Marholm

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC).

• New 10x expansion, well cited, no policy issues.

I like the more positive aspects of ALT0 & ALT3, but I think in both cases the "described as" phrase just interrupts the flow. Also, ALT3 says the building was "notable", but it really still is notable for being the tallest cast-iron building. I think ALT5 addresses both.

• ALT5:... that the Bennett Building (pictured), once one of New York's most prominent buildings, is probably the world's tallest building with a cast-iron facade? Source: NY Times 1996

Epicgenius, are you OK with ALT5, and still need QPQ. MB 20:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@MB: Thanks for the QPQ. I think ALT5 would be pretty good as well. I've also done a QPQ now. epicgenius (talk) 19:55, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

with ALT5. MB 20:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bennett Building (New York City)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 16:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

• References look good. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Notes are cited. Great work. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Prose

Lede

• The caption (2010) in the infobox, could we expand? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done
• It has three street addresses: 93-99 Nassau Street, 139 Fulton Street, and 30 Ann Street. - why? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Added
• Farnsworth to design two additions - I feel a word is missing, perhaps two changes? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Fixed Changed to "expansions". epicgenius (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• The original mansard roof was demolished and the top four stories were added from 1890 to 1892 - The original mansard roof was demolished to allow four additional stories to be added from 1890 to 1892 Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done
• disappeared in 1898, - is this disappeared as in the mafia sense? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Not quite, he just ran off and no one heard of him again. epicgenius (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

General

• Is frontage a real word? I've never seen it before Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Added a link to frontage. It's used in architecture and real estate to describe how much of the lot perimeter faces a road or another lot. epicgenius (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Bennett Building was described as being probably the world's tallest building - by whom? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done
• same era below Canal Street, - I'm assuming below is North? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Fixed "below" is "south" in Manhattan parlance. I sometimes forget that the vast majority of people are not familiar with NYC geography. epicgenius (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• mansard roof, James M. Farnsworth, Temple Court Building, are duplinks. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Removed
• everything is well sourced :). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• No copyvio found. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Plaque - is this subsection needed? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Actually that whole section seems a bit trivia. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Removed
• Is there a reason we denote the Design section above history? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  • A lot of articles that I've expanded have used this layout. I often find it easier to describe the structure itself before going into the historical details of when these features were installed, because the design context is already established. epicgenius (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Caption "Seen in 1893" - could we expand? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done
• Pettit disappeared in mid-1898- any more info on this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Added
• Could we get some WP:ALT? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Not much here to nitpick. I've put on hold to address the few comments above Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the review. I've resolved these comments now. epicgenius (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the quick responses. Happy to support. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)