Talk:Berdychiv
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editThis needs to be expanded and should represent the entire article. Viriditas (talk) 13:00, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Vladimir Horowitz
editWith all due respect to Galassi, I have put back Vladimir Horowitz as a possible native of Berdychiv. However, I did so in what I hope was a clearer and more scholarly way. The fact remains: no one knows for sure if Horowitz was born in Berdychiv or Kiev. LeonardoCiampa (talk) 02:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- HS is unreliable, and we have alread7 straightened it out.--Galassi (talk) 05:48, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Galassi will probably not relent on this point. However, Harold C. Schonberg (whom Galassi referred to as "HS" above) was a famous author and the chief music critic of the New York Times for decades. His biography on Horowitz sold many, many copies. That does not mean that everything he said is correct; and Galassi is adamant that Schonberg was incorrect about Berdychev. However, this was a famous book that many people have read! For that reason, to mention Horowitz's name in this article -- even if only to say he was NOT born in Berdychev -- is important. Wikipedia is a reference tool. A reader reads HS's book; he sees, "Berdychev," and he thinks, "Hmmm, let me look up 'Berdychev' on Wikipedia." If that reader does not see Horowitz's name mentioned at all, that will seem like an omission. In addition, I have copied Galassi's own words from the Horowitz article. They state unequivocably that Horowitz was not born in Berdychev, end of story. Fine -- but that still needs to be included in the Berdychev article in order for it to be complete. LeonardoCiampa (talk) 15:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- You have the certificate signed by the Kiev rabbi.--Galassi (talk) 16:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
- Galassi will probably not relent on this point. However, Harold C. Schonberg (whom Galassi referred to as "HS" above) was a famous author and the chief music critic of the New York Times for decades. His biography on Horowitz sold many, many copies. That does not mean that everything he said is correct; and Galassi is adamant that Schonberg was incorrect about Berdychev. However, this was a famous book that many people have read! For that reason, to mention Horowitz's name in this article -- even if only to say he was NOT born in Berdychev -- is important. Wikipedia is a reference tool. A reader reads HS's book; he sees, "Berdychev," and he thinks, "Hmmm, let me look up 'Berdychev' on Wikipedia." If that reader does not see Horowitz's name mentioned at all, that will seem like an omission. In addition, I have copied Galassi's own words from the Horowitz article. They state unequivocably that Horowitz was not born in Berdychev, end of story. Fine -- but that still needs to be included in the Berdychev article in order for it to be complete. LeonardoCiampa (talk) 15:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Who had sovereignty and when?
editLooking at a map, I would assume that Berdychiv was part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, then the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, then transferred to the Russian Empire with the Second Partition of Poland. Can anyone expand the history section to give more detail? — OwenBlacker (Talk) 11:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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The name Kuren Smerti (Clan of Death) is ambiguous
editThe name of the military unit Kuren Smerti is ambiguous. There were at least two units by this name that committed pogroms in Ukraine in 1919. For details, please see the talk page for the related article on mayor David Petrovsky. Ideally both articles should be updated if you can figure out which of these Clans of Death was responsible for the actual pogrom in January 1919 (evidently the one commanded by Evgen Palienko), and which was responsible for planning a multi-day pogrom which Petrovsky managed to prevent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ps8v9 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 12 October 2020 (UTC)