Talk:Bermuda Bowl

Scope of this article

Here are some points to cover, relying on my thoughts about the European Teams Championships (article in progress).

• WBF —what is its role since when, replacing what (eg, private company at Bermuda resort?)?
• national teams —Sweden-Iceland represents Europe in 1950, then what? When/if does the BB or WBF mandate national teams? When/if do the Zones opt for national teams?
• period —annual, etc? why 1976 and 2000?
• format —IMPs? knockout? length? since when
• site —rotation among Zones? marketing campaign such as Olympic Games?
• multi-event —combination with Venice, Senior, and perhaps minor events since when
• multiple winners
• Bowl —is there a literal Bowl trophy? unique, one for each player, etc
• 1990s expansion, USA1/USA2

--P64 (talk) 19:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Origin (from Italy)

Quoting the Italian site [1], no doubt transl. from Italian language.

"Norman Bach was a talented British player who lived in Bermuda, which won the Gold Cup in 1937 (the equivalent of the Italian Cup for Great Britain) and competed for his country as captain played in the European Championships of 1938 and 1939.

"At the end of World War II, Bach decided to organize a race where a team official representative of the United States fought with the champions of Europe and the champions of the then British Empire, giving the title up for grabs the nobility World Championship.

"... since that year the champions of Europe was also the team sample of the British Empire, was admitted to the tournament in Sweden also representing Europe for the European Championships that year she came second. The training included two players northern Iceland."

I don't follow all the references and I suppose some have been lost in translation ("which won the Gold Cup" may refer to Bach, not Bermuda, and so on).

I have wondered what Atlanticist or specifically Bermudan perspective may be represented by the composition of the inaugural field: USA, Iceland-Sweden, and GBR. Further comment deferred. --P64 (talk) 17:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

New York Times search today

Let me report two search results. I must postpone exploration, hope to return next week.

Articles about Bermuda Bowl - New York Times (via Google)

The first via Google hits some "Article Collection" whose display is only five pages of truncated articles.

google search: alan truscott bermuda bowl 1950

=>Articles about Bermuda Bowl - New York Times

One difference is that some of these articles are available only pay-per-view. For example, the third one (oldest first), "Bridge: Picking Top Player Is Hard In North American Region" 1981-01-12.

Direct search at nyt.com

There is a new Look and Feel since my last visit. ultralong URL that represents this search today)
—namely Advanced Search; Your Search bermuda bowl; (optional) Author alan truscott—
there are 422 hits for Bermuda Bowl by Alan Truscott.

P.S. There are more than 6000 hits for articles by Alan Truscott. This one seems chronologically first.
--P64 (talk) 20:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Latest rendition 2009

Today I began the New section "Latest rendition 2009" and inserted much material, including some HIDDEN (<!-- this is hidden -->). This was hours of work because, in effect, it was a session taking notes while exploring that coverage provided by the official contemporary website. (-- directed exploration, for I watched much of this tournament on vugraph, and because I have explored contemporary WBF coverage of several other tournaments -- but the writing made it notmuchtheless time-consuming than if it were "original exploration" --)

Finally, before leaving this day/weekend, I have

1. SHOWN everything HIDDEN, by using bullet points to replace <!--
2. REVERTED all my afternoon's work.

Here is the intermediate version, after step 1. (see section "Latest rendition 2009").
Reading that version will provide much introduction to WBF contemporary coverage; that is, to the websites that WBF dedicates to multi-tournament meets such as biennial World Teams Championships. It's a general introduction because these WBF websites follow a template. It's better than "original exploration" because it includes many illustrative links to one such site, 39th World Team Championships, with many annotations some almost "play by play".

I recommend that reading to anyone who is unhappily unfamiliar with WBF contemporary coverage of its tournaments ( --on the web, in contrast to the Daily Bulletin for print distribution on-site, which is also posted in pdf format). --P64 (talk) 19:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Representation

We should have dates or sources for the following developments, not all in the article.

Date: restriction to national teams only (source: Conditions of Contest (c)2007

Source: 1971 expansion for Australia (says the article); if so then Date: zone including New Zealand perhaps called South Pacific

Dates & Sources: which entries represent Europe or North America rather than some nation? OEB4 and WBF team names differ and do not follow trans/uninationality of players.

to be extended --P64 (talk) 18:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

1969 team Taiwan

Section 1969 needs work regarding the composition of team Taiwan, having two of six players from Thailand. The team name is not a special problem, only because our need for explanation of WBF official team names is general. What criteria do they use for nationally named teams in competitions that are not between nations?

In this context, however, my lead paragraph is a disaster by omission.

• "Taiwan appeared on the world bridge scene with a shocking second-place performance, represented by six players using the Precision Club bidding system recently invented by C. C. Wei.[citation needed]

I doubt the WBF database record of two Kw SHEN with Thai and Taipei affiliation. If they are one, then the two Thai members of 1969 Taiwan represented Thailand in [Shen] 1964 Olympiad, 1967 Olympiad; [Suchartkul] 1964 Olympiad, 1976 Olympiad.

We need confirmation or correction whether all six played Precision. We should learn whether the team was constituted late, as a four-person team from Taiwan adding one Thai pair. --P64 (talk) 15:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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1991 Comment Incorrect

The reference under 1991 states:

"(The two US teams are determined under the auspices of the United States Bridge Federation. The other team from Zone 2 is determined by a playoff of other national teams, if necessary.)"

The USBF was not formed until 2001.

Someone with more knowledge needs to correct this errorNicolas.hammond (talk) 08:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)