Talk:Bernard Gui

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Srnec in topic "Bernard Guidoni"
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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 06:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)Reply


Will try to provide the review during the next days! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 06:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

  • events - in total – minor quibble, but you could replace the hyphen with the correct dash (–), see WP:DASH.
  • uncompleted at the time of his death in 1291. – I would specify with "the latters" instead of "his", as otherwise it is not clear who this is referring to.
  • uncoverted – should this be "unconverted"?
You are welcome! The article is promoted now, congratulations! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

University of Sheffield Wikipedia Project

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I will be editing this article to include more information about Gui's early life, inquisitorial career, writings, and portrayals in popular culture and in historiography, with reference to newer scholarship.

I am currently studying the MA in Medieval History at the University of Sheffield and am improving this article as part of the Early Medieval Clerical Exemption in a Digital Age module, convened by Dr Charles West. More information about this module can be found here.

Please do not hesitate to get in touch with suggestions, comments, or corrections. Etiennedebourbon (talk) 16:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Well done. I do have a question about one of your sources. Several times though the text you refer to things by Janet Shirly, but in the footnotes she is referred to only as a translator. If the things she says are merely translations of the underlying text, then it appears to be a primary rather than a secondary source. If, as I assume is more likely based on the way you have referred to her in the body of the article, this is from an introduction I would suggest you include some reference to that in the footnotes to clarify if she is speaking with her own voice on those matters. 2600:1702:21A0:31B0:9D6C:B813:5CB1:9DA2 (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

"Bernard Guidoni"

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Several modern sources that Wikipedia considers reliable now say that he was "born Bernard Guidoni", as we do, or even "de son vrai nom Bernard Guidoni", as the French Wikipedia does. That someone has one real name (all other names by implication being unreal or false) is a belief that's hard to combat, but that's an issue for French Wikipedia. Putting that aside, what would be the evidence that he was born with this name? I suspect that modern reliable sources have taken the information from Wikipedia. The only examples from older texts of "Bernard Guidoni" that I have found so far via Google are OCR misreadings of "Bernard Guidonis". "Guidonis", meaning "son of Guido" or "son of Gui", is very commonly found as his patronymic or second name. Who lost the "s"? Did we do it?

Incidentally, he's called briefly "Gui" throughout our text, but this is misleading if "Gui" was his father's name. We should call him "Bernard". Andrew Dalby 09:07, 17 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Checking back through the history of the English and French pages, the exact phrases that I have given in quotes above were added by anonymous IPs in 2013, six months apart: the English phrase on 26 May 2013, the French phrase on 26 November 2013. It's as if someone was doing a test ... Those IPs added nothing else significant to either Wikipedia. Having seen that, I'll remove the phrases now. Andrew Dalby 11:34, 17 August 2019 (UTC)Reply
Good catch. Srnec (talk) 16:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply