Talk:Bernard Hinault

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Paragraph 1 says he placed 2nd in 1984; Paragraph 2 says he missed the tour in 1984 due to knee problems.  ???

wikipedia is an encyclopedia

it is not the place to express what one thinks about this or that.Christopher Lims 14:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

hinault was out in 1983 as He had an operation on his knee, he came back in 84 and finished 2nd to Fignon

Breton is politically uncorrect

In French wikipedia declaring that BH was a Breton is politically uncorrect. They seem to send commandos of cleansers to do the job here too: [[1]]

.Shelley Konk 16:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 Tour de France winner

Oscar Pereiro has not yet recieved the 2006 title,by the UCI nor the Tour de France organizers so, it's a mistake to put his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.221.32.250 (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Doping sanctions

Since it is common to include doping sanctions in articles about cyclists why wouldn't be apropriate to include Hinault's 1982 sanction for refusing to submit to a doping control test afer Critérium de Callac. 5 riders where suspend for refusing testing. 3 of the other 4 tested positive later in other races. Hinalut tried to get all the riders to refuse the test. I think the fact he was sanctioned should be included. I'd be interested in any counter arguments before I add it and would take advice on how and where to put it. I'm not trying to sully his reputation but I am not comfortable that he was beyond reproach and while he is an all time great he is not a saint. In fact he bullied the governing body by threatening to not race the worlds if they suspended him so while it is listed as a one month suspension. He never served the suspspention. Jackhammer111 (talk) 22:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

He did the dope like everyone./ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.136.229 (talk) 02:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bernard Hinault/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 16:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Will review. MWright96 (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@MWright96: Thank you, looking forward to your comments :) Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:37, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• "he is often named among the greatest cyclists of all times." - time
• "In 1978, he won his first two Grand Tours, winning both the Vuelta a España and the Tour de France. " - I believe winning both is redundant and needs deleting
• "He bounced back the following year," - recovered

All  Done. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:38, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Early life and family

• "Hinault had bought the 48-hectare property near Calorguen in 1983." - Use the 48 ha (120 acres) template on 48-hectacre

 Done Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Amateur career

• "as a reward for passing his school exams" - examinations
• "He took his military service at the young age of 18 over the course of 1973, not racing for the entire year." - How about He was conscripted into the military at age 18, and did not race throughout 1973.?
• "On the road, he raced in the Étoile des Espoirs, a race open to amateurs and young professionals." - took part for the avoidance of close repetition of similar words

All  Done Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:41, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

1975–1977: Gitane

• "who had decided to split up the prize money" - divided is more formal here

 Done

• "His results in his first season were impressive, with seventh at Paris–Nice" - with a seventh at the Paris–Nice

Have done the a, also added "place". Concerning the "the" ahead of bike race names. I know, Phil Liggett always says "the Paris-Nice" and so forth, but I feel this sounds stupid. From the reliable sources at my disposal, I see this is a handled differently. Cyclingnews doesn't use it for instance...

Just to clarify: Obviously I only mean races which start with place names, such as Paris-Nice or Paris-Roubaix. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• "netting him the Promotion Pernod," - how about earning instead?

 Done

• "However, Hinault showed little willingsness" - typo; willingness

 Done

• "lesser known races such as Paris–Camembert, which he won." - events such as the Paris–Camembert

See above.

• "with a second, consecutive victory at the Circuit de la Sarthe," - the comma is redundant

 Done

• "third at the Grand Prix du Midi Libre" - a third place

 Done

• "being beaten to the line for fifth by none other than Eddy Merckx." - "none other than" is redundant and needs deleting

 Done

• " Hinault left the Tour of Flanders before it had even started, gaining him a formal warning by Guimard for his conduct." - drawing

 Done

• "Five days later, at Liège–Bastogne–Liège," - at the

See above.

• "leading Van Impe and Bernard Thévenet by 1:30 minutes by the summit." - heading into

I chose "when crossing"

• Wikilink hairpin to Hairpin turn for non-cycling readers

 Done

• "This also secured his overall victory" - him the overall victory

 Done

1978: Grand Tour breakthrough

• "on which he rode 55 km (34 mi) on his own," - solo

 Done

• "Hinault rode conservatively in the Pyrenees to stay within striking distance of Zoetemelk." - what is meant by striking distance here?

Meaning that he limited the time deficit on the general classification.

• "as was the case on this 12 July." - remove "this"

 Done

• "ended with Zoetemelk, Hinault and the temporary yellow jersey Michel Pollentier" - yellow jersey wearer

 Done

• "but Hinault surprisingly contested the finishing sprint," - "surprisingly" sounds like editorialising to me; should be changed to something neutral or be removed

 Done

1979: Second Tour victory and Classics success

• "with third placed Kuiper already more than 12 minutes behind." - with the third-placed
• "He had escaped from the field a massive 150 km (93 mi) from the finish," - remove "a massive"

Both  Done Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:11, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

1980: Attempt at the Triple Crown

• "dropping out of Paris–Nice." - withdrawing from the

Did withdrawing, for "the" see above.

• "Following fourth place at the prologue" - Following a fourth place

 Done

• "which contained cobbled sections used in Paris–Roubaix," - used in the}

See above.

• "not informing the press, which let to a fallout" - led

 Done

1981: Winning a third Tour de France

• "Some weeks later, he added a victory at the Amstel Gold Race." how many weeks exactly?

Good thing you mentioned this, it was actually earlier. Calender was different back then... Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

1982: Achieving the Giro–Tour double

• "Zoetemelk was again the runner up," - runner up is hyphenated

 Done

1983: Second Vuelta and the ascent of Fignon

• "He bounced back and took the lead" - came back

 Done

1984: Defeat at Fignon's hands

• "while at the same time scientificly measuring his progress." - typo; scientifically

 Done

1985: The second Giro–Tour double

• "even though his team car rode behind him with the door opened the entire time to ensure that bystanders would have a harder time impeeding him." - typo; should be impeding

Done. Some English spelling I will just never understand...

• The entire second paragraph in this section lacks reliable source(s)

Done. Broke up that part into two paragraphs and forgot to duplicate the source.

• "holding an advantage of five-and-a-half minues on LeMond," - typo; minutes

All  Done. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

1986: The final season

• "partly due to Hinault deciding that the team" - change the text in bold to squad for variety and to remove close reptition of the same word

Done.

• "Hinault then cracked, coming in ninth, 4:39 behind stage winner LeMond." - 4:39 minutes

Done.

• "He rode the World Championships Road Race, held at Colorado Springs." - held in

Done.

• "He aimed to win, showing surprising effort in his preparation." - editoralising is again present here

Changed to "a lot of".

• "Nevertheless, he finished the race in a disappointing 59th place" - same issue as above

All  Done. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:34, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Retirement

• "the Tour de France organisers, Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO), approached Hinault and invited him to join the management team of the event." - its race management team.

Done.

• "Offers from Bouygues Télécom and a Chinese investor in the mid-2000s did not go through." - fell through.

All  Done. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:35, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Riding style and legacy

• "Hinault would be able to control the pace of races, use his influence with race organisers" - change to event to avoid close reptition of "race"

Have changed the first instance to "the peloton" instead.

• "The riders' strike at Valence d'Agen in the 1978 Tour is cited as the first instance in which Hinault took over this role." - assumed

Done.

• "He urged the riders to protest and ride slowly, but some broke ranks," - disagreed

Chose "did not follow his example".

• "during his Tour wins and his behavior towards fans and officials" - behaviour

Done.

• "who he treated with open disgust." - whom

Done.

• "With an impressive résumé of victories, including all three Grand Tours (all of them more than once)," - rewrite to With a résumé of victories that include all three Grand Tours to avoid editorialising

Done, with "includes" for grammar reasons.

• "Hinault has often been cited among the greatest cyclists of all time." - cited by whom?

Well, I have given two sources of many right behind this statement. Should I write down the authors of that? Those people are not well-known, so I feel that does not add much to the article. The main thing is to source the statement overall. Have added another example in a sentence right behind. Hope this suffices. Let me know. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:44, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I do not believe the authors are required in this instance. MWright96 (talk) 18:48, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Nickname

• "who would use the term to put the young rider in his place." - try to avoid using idioms per MOS:IDIOM

Have changed to "tease the young rider". Still fairly colloquial, but maybe better? Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I believe that is much better than the previous version. MWright96 (talk) 18:48, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Stance on doping

• "He was handed a one-month suspended ban and fined 1,110 Swiss Francs," - CHF 1,110 per MOS:CURRENCY

Done. Have also wikilinked to Swiss Franc since I feel the currency constitutes a "lesser known currency" per MOS:CURRENCY.

• "To this claim, Hinault replied" - To counter this claim.

Done.

• "he urged the other riders to strike in protest if Froome should compete." - if Froome competed.

All  Done. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

References

• The McGannMcGann sfn templates that are used should be formatted as follows: {sfn|McGann|McGann|p=}

Fixed.

• The same fix applies to the book written by LagetLagetCazabanMontgermont: {sfn|Laget|Laget|Cazaban|Montgermont|p=}

Fixed.

• Also, all of the sfn templates for Van Gucht's 2015 book should not have the underdash character (_) in it

I actually had to figure out how to do that, but it appears to have worked. You never stop learning.

Those are the many points that I found in my read-through. On hold. MWright96 (talk) 12:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@MWright96: Thank you for the review! Have addressed all points, some are still up for debate, looking forward to your comments! Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

• @Zwerg Nase: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 18:48, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Zwerg Nase (talk) 07:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Not a good illustration

It could have a better photo, a photo of a victory for instance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.51.235 (talk) 16:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@87.91.51.235: We have to work with what we've got. Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)