Talk:Berta Berkovich Kohút

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 16:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Berta Berkovich Kohút, who was skilled in sewing, managed to survive in a fashion salon established by the wife of the Auschwitz concentration camp commandant? Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03612112.2022.2071030?journalCode=ydre20
• ALT1... that tailoring played a role in the survival of Berta Berkovich, who was imprisoned at the Auschwitz concentration camp? Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03612112.2022.2071030?journalCode=ydre20
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Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 13:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC).

• Why does this hook refer to the subject as "Berta" rather than by her full name? I don't see anything in the article that says that Kohut worked under a first name only. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Metropolitan90 Done. Thanks RV (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

• RAJIVVASUDEV I would tweak Alt0 as follows
• ... that Berta Berkovich, who was skilled in sewing, managed to survive Auschwitz in a fashion salon established by the wife of the concentration camp commandant?Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03612112.2022.2071030?journalCode=ydre20Source:https://www.express.co.uk/news/history/854885/nazi-jeiwsh-holocaust-Auschwitz-labour-dress-making

Also per MOS:SURNAME I would use Berta Berkovich in both hooks as Kohut survived Auschwitz before she got married. TSventon (talk) 14:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@TSventon Better. Thanks RV (talk) 04:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Reviewing. SusunW (talk) 19:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Created 11 Jan, nominated same day - new enough. 3172 char - long enough. Hits in Earwig are related to quotes and titles of works, but a direct comparison of sourcing shows some fairly close paraphrasing, i.e. In March 1942, Berkovich, at the age of 21, was transported to Auschwitz concentration camp along with 999 other young women vs. "…in March 1942, when she was 21, Betka was transported with 999 other young women to the notorious Nazi Concentration Camp, Auschwitz"; She survived 1000 days there with her sister Katka vs. "She survived 1000 days there with her sister Katka" A thorough copyedit is recommended. Cited, no image, QPQ done. There also appears to be an issue with WP:Commonname as sources cited show surname is "Kohút" with the acute accent, and a google search confirms that "Kohut" is less common. In the lede "She was the final survivor of a group that managed to survive the camp" is repetitious and unclear. Perhaps better phrasing would be "Prior to her death in 2021, she was the last living seamstress of those who survived the camp" however, the lead is not supposed to contain information that is not cited in the body and there is no such claim in the article. It is however documented here and needs to be added with a citation, not only for clarity in the article but so that the hook fact can be confirmed. It is unclear from the text whether the subject "Berkovich" worked in the Upper Tailoring Studio, as she is mentioned no where in that section. Adlington describes in great detail and It is a powerful and moving narrative that gives a voice to the victims of one of the darkest chapters in human history should neither be said in WikiVoice nor documented to the author of the book. These are not neutral opinions, and to state it, you need to either say who said it with a source or cite an authority who made a review of the book.

Hook 0: 152 char, under maximum. Grammar is problematic. Managed to survive what? The revision proposed by TSventon solves that problem. But, I see nothing in the article which says that the salon was created by Rudolf Höss's wife or that he was the camp commandant. You need to add a statement to that effect and cite it in the article, see this as well as citing her survival. Hook 1: 126 char, under maximum. IMO, it isn't as interesting or hooky as 0. Please ping me when the issues are addressed. SusunW (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW Appreciate the detailed review; allow me some time to correct and fix it. Thanks RV (talk) 05:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW Please verify that the corrections meet the requirements. Thanks RV (talk) 08:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

RV Text is still not great, there is a lot of redundancy, but good enough for now. I'm happy to give it a copyedit after the DYK is approved. You still have nothing in the article that documents anything about the Höss couple. (I don't want you to fix the article name at this point, because I don't want to break DYK, but perhaps whoever promotes it can correct the name problem.) SusunW (talk) 13:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

@RAJIVVASUDEV and SusunW:, I have moved the article to Berta Berkovich Kohút and fixed the links in all the hooks. The nomination page should not be moved. TSventon (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

TSventon thank you. I am not very technically inclined and was unsure of what might cause issue. Truly appreciate the assist. SusunW (talk) 13:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

TSventon thanks again.SusunW, Kindly check. Regards RV (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

, I'm going to give you a GTG, because the information is now verifiable in the article, but the Express is not a RS. Since we have Adlington's book to cite it to, I changed the citation. SusunW (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Bratislava is(was) in (Czecho)slovakia

> They initially lived in Bratislava for three years, and then moved to Czechoslovakia, where Kohút worked in the publishing house, Smena.

It said Brataslava initially. Is this not Bratislava? Is this some different place not in Slovakia? 46.188.158.100 (talk) 10:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

As well as making no sense, it seems more likely that they moved to Bratislava 3 years after the war, rather than from it. Because Smena was a Bratislava-based Slovak daily paper, which started publication in 1948. See https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smena_(denn%C3%ADk) (only available in Slovak). It should not be confused with the Russian periodical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smena_(magazine) (1924-present day) of the same name. Ivan Viehoff (talk) 09:17, 27 March 2023 (UTC)