Talk:Besses o' th' Barn tram stop

Island Platforms

I'm not sure how the statement "It is unique, as it is the only original station on the Bury-Manchester line to have one island platform." can be made, as Bury has an island platform that pre-dates Metrolink, as evidenced by the photos on the Bury Interchange page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tranquility2007 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Hm. The phrasing is awkward but we are running into semantics here. The present Bury Interchange location is "new" in comparison to the Besses station, since the old Bury-Manchester line ran to Bury (Bolton Street) and the other major central Bury station was Knowsley Street, which has long been gone. I realise that the article title relates to Besses as a Metrolink station but I think that the solution would be to modify the wording slightly. Do Eric Mason, Marshall, Noel Coates or someone similar make the island platform point regarding the L&Y Manchester-Bury line? I could always ask the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Society, of which I am a (somewhat elusive) member, but would be surprised if this feature is not the subject of comment by one of the two or three major sources for L&Y history. - Sitush (talk) 23:29, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Bury Interchange has one platform flanked by a track each side, but this is not an island platform since it is a terminus.

As regards Besses o' th' Barn, Eric Mason and John Marshall are unlikely to describe the station because their books concern the L&YR and so primarily deal with events pre-1923. Besses was opened by the LMS in 1933, more than ten years after the demise of the L&YR, so the phrase "original station on the Bury-Manchester line" is incorrect even ignoring words like "only" and "island platform".

Concerning the bridge over the M60 motorway and A665 road to the south of the station - there is a two-page article in

• Wright, Peter (1970). Cooke, B.W.C. (ed.). "'Besses Bridge' Reconstruction Complete". The Railway Magazine. Vol. 116, no. 825. London: Temple Press Ltd. pp. 40–41. {{cite magazine}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

which doesn't mention the station, so I guess that the station wasn't rebuilt at the same time. However, it did have an island platform prior to the rebuilding of the bridge, since that is how it's shown in the 1:2500 map of 1956. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

What follows is OR, based on my having lived in the vicinity for most of the last 50 years. The station got a paint job etc when the bridge was reconstructed, but nothing more (my bicycle was unintentionally buried nearby, under the then M62!). The island platform was a part of the original design and indeed there is no space for anything other than such a platform, since the embankment upon which it sits is narrow. At least one local history had a mention that the embankment was formed using the earth & sand removed when constructing the cutting that follows Whitefield station on the route to Bury ... but I forget which book and in any event local historians are often deemed not to be great sources. I'll check Marshall etc: I know that the construction is 1933 but it is definitely mentioned in one such source. - Sitush (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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