Talk:Bet You Wanna

Promotional poster

I don’t think the promotional poster is supposed to be in the infobox. It’s not an album cover, and no one said anything about a promotional single. If we can gather a consensus here ASAP, that would be great. Thanks! Doggy54321 (talk) 22:35, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Based on the phrasing it looks like the caption was taken from Sour Candy, which was a promo single. I’m not sure a poster or promotional graphic is applicable here since it’s not a single, promotional or otherwise. I mean, I don’t see anything wrong with it there but I don’t know if people more well versed with Wikipedia’s non-free content policies would feel. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 00:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@CAMERAwMUSTACHE: I feel like since it’s not an album cover, it shouldn’t be there. It’s also not properly sourced. Doggy54321 (talk) 00:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah now that I look at the image file page it looks like not only is it too big, at the minimum the usage criteria would have to be swapped for the one used for promo graphics for movies or TV shows. And from what I can tell it doesn't even look like they wanted to use this as album cover art (unlike Sour Candy) as it is not the right shape and album cuts typically do not get art, where as singles and promo singles do. I'd remove it, or at the minimum resize, correctly source, and correctly describe what it is, CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 00:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I guess I’ll remove it since you agree, it’s not sized or sourced properly. Doggy54321 (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Claims of Notoriety

Hi there. Shaun here. I have gone ahead and looked up what seem to be the biggest claims for notoriety for this song, to see if it warrants an article:

• (1) Cardi B claims it is a "pretty good song"
• (2) Cardi B was for perhaps the first time (maybe?) asked to make a PG version of the song, and she actually agreed to do it
• (3) This is Blackpink's fourth collaboration with a major American artist (along with Dua Lipa, Lady Gaga and Selena Gomez) and the other three all have articles
• (4) This is reported to be Blackpink's next single, though that is still just a rumour, and Pretty Savage is also a possibility, or they may switch over to Rose's debut single and not have any more singles from this album. If this does become a single, then it probably warrants an article
• (5) In spite of not being a single, it actually charted in six countries (or 5, if we don't count New Zealand, as that isn't their official chart)
• (6) Cardi B referenced the song in a Tweet making fun of US President Donald Trump catching the coronavirus, when she said "Bet You Wanna wear a mask now" [1]
• (7) Of the five unreleased tracks on The Album, this one charted the best on the official South Korean Gaon Digital Charts, at number 99. Whether that is significant remains to be seen, as we really have to wait to see what ranking it has in its 2nd week, as the first week was only a partial week (I believe only 1 or 2 days worth).

I hope that this helps. Skb7 (talk) 14:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

It already is notable enough since it charted in a country. Just to note, speculation isn’t allowed on Wikipedia, so it’s a song from an album right now, nothing more. Thanks! Doggy54321 (talk) 14:41, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

If that's the criteria, then the note should be removed, and if that is the criteria then Pretty Savage should have its own article too. Skb7 (talk) 14:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I was thinking of album criteria. If you see WP:NSONG, it details the criteria. Doggy54321 (talk) 14:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

That suggests that this is not sufficiently notable. Of note, I think you are misunderstanding the New Zealand Hot Singles Chart. That is *NOT* New Zealand's official chart *AT ALL* and only details the debuts, of songs that came out that week. You will note that all 5 unreleased tracks by Blackpink feature in the top 40 this week. It is probably a mistake to list being top 10 on New Zealand's Hot Single Chart being a big deal. It is more relevant that it reached number 42 in Australia's official charts. Of note, Australia has 10 times the population of New Zealand, so is a bigger market. Indeed, its biggest chart success was in the much bigger market of UK. Once again, if that is the criteria you are using, then Pretty Savage warrants an article ahead of this, as Pretty Savage has at least won an award. This song hasn't. Skb7 (talk) 14:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Pretty Savage hasn’t won an award. It’s important to note chart success, and the New Zealand chart, official or not, is a chart. The song debuted in the top ten. Also, charts aren’t based off of population, if this song peaks at 99 in China vs if this song peaks at 1 in New Zealand, the NZ chart would be more worth noting, as the song received higher charting. It’s also not the criteria I’m using, it’s the criteria Wikipedia uses. That’s why the page has the notability template. Please also respond to your talk page. Doggy54321 (talk) 15:02, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Single?

While I can see them pushing this to radio, I’m not seeing it in the source provided. It looks like it was there on the 27th but was gone by the 30th. It wasn’t readded either based on subsequent snapshots of the page. Now, this would be normal if the song was being pushed on the 27th, but it getting removed weeks prior to the 10th looks like it got canceled. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 00:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@CAMERAwMUSTACHE: hmm. It’s not there currently either. Let’s wait it out maybe ten hours, by then it’ll be morning in America where the radio station is based. If it’s still not in the database by then, I think it’s safe to remove it as it’s evident that there was no impact. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 02:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, it’s still not there. It doesn’t appear to be on this page either although that one just shows what stations are playing regardless of whether or not the label is pushing the song as a single. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)