Talk:Beurre Maître d'Hôtel

GA Review

Reviewer: Carbrera (talk · contribs) 00:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I am Carbrera, and I'll be reviewing this article for possible good article submission.

Full review coming very soon. Carbrera (talk) 00:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Infobox

• This is just a thought, but since the potatoes in the photo look diced, could you perhaps add 'diced' to the photo description? I guess it's not 100% necessary if you don't agree

•  Done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:41, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• In the article you mention that it 'is usually served cold', so in the infobox, should you mention that it could also be served hot for the serving temperature?

•  Done North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• Is the 'Beurre composé' part necessary?

• I think it is, because the butter has French origins and a French name, so it makes the article more complete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:42, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• Should 'chateaubriand steak' be linked while 'chateaubriand sauce' isn't because the actual article is for the steak and not the sauce?

• I don't think so, because the butter is specifically a key ingredient in the sauce itself, which is used on the steak. Instead, I have simply added a link to the main steak article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:43, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• Remove 'the' from 'be used in the place of a sauce'

•  Done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:46, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• When I personally tried this butter, it tasted pretty sweet to me; should you change 'sweet' to 'sweeter'?

• Sweet versions may have sugar added, but most versions are not sweet. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:46, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Etymology

• The lead sentence is trying to convey a ton of information; could this be broken into two more condensed sentences?

• This would make the article inferior. Check out MOS:LEAD, where it states, "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents". North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Preparation

• I would change 'Vinegar has been used' to 'Vinegar is sometimes used', since the cayenne pepper section is the same tense

•  Done North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• Since 'parchment paper' is linked, 'plastic wrap' should be linked as well

• I disagree, because plastic wrap is a common term that most people know about, whereas parchment paper is a much lesser-known product. Per WP:OVERLINK, it's best to not include links to common terms. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Uses

• I would put the source in the lead sentence after 'condiment' instead of after 'foods'

• Probably not best. See WP:LEADCITE, where it states, "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." (et al.) North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• The second sentence reads awkwardly; to me, it sounds like you're calling 'fish, eggs, vegetables, potatoes, and breads' as types of grilled meats; could this be reworded?

• I have copy edited the article to address this concern. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• Insert an 'and' before 'placed atop foods during...'

• This would interject ambiguity, and make it sound like two different concepts. The butter is placed on the foods and then melted during the last few minutes of cooking. It's one concept. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

In Chateaubriand sauce

• Once again, should 'chateaubriand steak' be linked while 'chateaubriand sauce' isn't because the actual article is for the steak and not the sauce?

• Added a link to the Steak article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

• And again, I would move the sources in the lead sentence after 'steak' instead of after 'sauce'

• See above in re WP:LEADCITE. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
• The article focuses upon how the butter is used in the preparation of the sauce, which is then used on the steak. The sources ([1], [2]) are more about the sauce, rather than the steak. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

End of GA Review:

Once again, another really good food-related article. However, I want you to review my suggestions and make any changes. Thanks. Carbrera (talk) 00:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Nominator's comment:

• Advance notice – Just so you know in advance, when creating and expanding this article, I pretty much "used up" almost all of the reliable source coverage about the topic in the English language that is available online. Some sources essentially report the same content in different manners. Some French book sources are available that provide snippets of information here-and-there, but I lack adequate fluency. Additional websites are available, but do not constitute Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

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@Northamerica1000: I'm sorry about the delay in the review. I'm not trying to make excuses for myself, but I've had a lot of personal things happen lately. I promise there will be a review by the week's end. Thanks. Carbrera (talk) 00:52, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Good job! Definitely passing-worthy. Carbrera (talk) 02:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)