Talk:Bhad Bhabie

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fix infobox

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it's broken — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.58.172 (talk) 19:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

new singles

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i think that the singles list should include Geek'd Ft. Lil Yatchy on the list since it has 10 million views on youtube — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.122 (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

fix discography page

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the discography page is seriously messed up, i mean just look at it, guest appearances are empty and singles have been moved down to remixes so somebody should fix that problem right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadetrain (talkcontribs) 19:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

Birthday

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Self-pub tweet March 26: https://twitter.com/BhadBhabie/status/977961184790962177 Billboard article March 26: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8261436/bhad-bhabie-lil-yachty-gucci-flip-flops Cosmo March 27: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a9615378/danielle-bregoli-facts/

I tend to believe her self-pub tweet and Billboard. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 03:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

TMZ March 26, Daily Dot March 26, XXL March 26. Billboard and XXL for the article? Levivich 04:12, 6 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
It's very possible Cosmo simply made a mistake, especially considering all these sources (and Bregoli herself) say it's the 26th. I do not mind which sources are used for the article. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:31, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for your inputs. I've removed the disputed tag. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:38, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 13 March 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)Reply



Danielle BregoliBhad Bhabie – Bregoli goes by the name Bhad Bhabie in her rap career, which is her dominant source of notability. "Bhad Bhabie" yields 13,800,000 search results, while "Danielle Bregoli" yields 5,470,000, per WP:COMMONNAME. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose most recent celeb news articles that cover her career still have both Bhad Bhabie and Danielle Bregoli listed. I don't see where she exclusively is referred to by her rapper name. She's not at the level of "Bono (not: Paul Hewson)" yet. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Support The nominator, User:Jjj1238, chose to include a Google war, showing a disparity so wide that this is a no-brainer. User:AngusWOOF, tellingly, chose to claim the opposite without acknowledging the nom's links or adding a source verifying their claim, one that strongly doesn't pass the smell test. If the Google war were a little more even it'd be debatable but over eight million isn't close at all. 2600:1700:B7A1:9A30:3C08:D6EC:A4AD:BB11 (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Doing a google search on Bhad Bhabie news gives Noisey.vice.com posted 2 hours ago [1] "Fifteen-year-old Danielle Bregoli, better known as Bhad Bhabie," HKQ posted 21 hours ago [2] "Danielle Bregoli, known in the rap world as Bhad Bhabie" Wall Street Journal March 6 [3] " a meet-and-greet and photo session with Bhad Bhabie (whose real name is Danielle Bregoli) and some..." AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Support – Both Google web and Google news results show Bhad Bhabie is the COMMONNAME. It doesn't have to be Bono-level recognition to be a COMMONNAME, just most commonly used. Levivich 05:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nom. That's the only name she uses professionally. wumbolo ^^^ 08:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose as per Angus - Medias at present are using both names (because they're probably worried no one will know who "Bad Bhabie" is), Compare this with people such as for instance Eminem or DMX where their stagename is only used (ofcourse they're most known as those names respectively but IMHO Danielle isn't widely known as Bhad Bhabie just yet.) –Davey2010Talk 11:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Compare this with people such as for instance Eminem ... Newsweek: Eminem Copied Bhad Bhabie on 'Kamikaze'? How Danielle Bregoli Responded, The Source: Bhad Bhabie Updates '15' Mixtape to Include Eminem Reference, and NME: Fans accuse Eminem of 'ripping off' Bhad Bhabie on new album 'Kamikaze'. Seems to me that "Bhad Bhabie" and "Eminem" are both COMMONNAME stage names. Levivich 22:31, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Google News, not web, is where we should be looking: "Bhad Bhabie": 80,000+ Google News results vs. "Danielle Bregoli": 35,000+ Google News results. Search results aren't the end of the story, let's look at individual RSes. If The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and The Washington Post all call her by one name, would you agree that's her COMMONNAME?
  1. The Wall Street Journal: Backstage Selfies With the Backstreet Boys or Bhad Bhabie
  2. The New York Times: The Big Business of Becoming Bhad Bhabie
  3. The Washington Post: Bhad Bhabie goes from Internet meme to real-life rapper, and it's a little complicated
  4. ABC News: Bhad Bhabie turns viral status and 15.7 million followers into $900,000 beauty deal and ABC News Australia: I'm at a Bhad Bhabie concert with my 11-year-old daughter, have I made a terrible mistake? (the answer is yes)
  5. Billboard: Bhad Bhabie On Her New Snapchat Show: 'I'm Tired Of People Thinking I Do Nothing' and 21 Under 21: Bhad Bhabie on What You Don't Understand About Her
  6. Newsweek: From 'Cash Me Outside' to Bhad Bhabie: The Incredible Journey of Internet Star Danielle Bregoli and Eminem Copied Bhad Bhabie on 'Kamikaze'? How Danielle Bregoli Responded
  7. Variety: Bhad Bhabie: From 'Cash Me Outside' to Cashing in on a Legit Rap Career and Bhad Bhabie Draws Heavy Music Industry Crowd to First Los Angeles Show
  8. The Source: Bhad Bhabie Updates '15' Mixtape to Include Eminem Reference, Bhad Bhabie on Nicki Minaj's Latest Antics: 'She Is Doing Way Too Much' and Bhad Bhabie Signs $900k Dollar Make Up Endorsement Deal
  9. BET: 'Bhad Bhabie' Just Landed A $900K Beauty Deal That's Already Made $500K In First-Day Sales
  10. Complex: Bhad Bhabie Isn't Going Anywhere
  11. NME: Fans accuse Eminem of 'ripping off' Bhad Bhabie on new album 'Kamikaze' and Bhad Bhabie attacks Iggy Azalea at fashion event hosted by Cardi B
  12. The Guardian: 'I'm always gonna be a nightmare':​ ​how​ ​Bhad Bhabie​ ​went from meme to megastar MC
  13. New York magazine (The Vulture): Can Bhad Bhabie Rap?
  14. Fresno Bee: 'Cash me ousside' girl Bhad Bhabie tells Fresno fans they'll have to 'cash' her later
  15. South Florida Sun-Sentinel: 'Cash Me Outside Girl' Bhad Bhabie lands $900,000 beauty deal, report says and 'Cash Me Outside Girl' Bhad Bhabie spent $40,000 on new teeth, report says
In my view, the evidence supporting "Bhad Bhabie" is very, very strong. Levivich 22:31, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
You've again made the exact same error I dispelled above. Never trust the estimated number of results, and instead click "Next" until you hit the real limit. In Google News, "Bhad Bhabie" actually has only 175 results and "Danielle Bregoli" actually has only 155 results (and obviously many of those must be overlaps). Add on her full name of 29 results for "Danielle Peskowitz Bregoli" and her stage name is NOT the majority. For WP:STAGENAMES we need demonstrated, dominant usage in reliable sources, and currently there just isn't that because most sources (your cherry-picked list above aside) still give both name and stage name. Stop making the same mistake - never trust "results" counts in search engines and never use them as evidence for COMMONNAME arguments. -- Netoholic @ 01:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
...which is why I listed 15 RSes using "Bhad Bhabie", including WaPo, NYT, and WSJ, ABC, Billboard... a pretty good list of sources, wouldn't you agree? I think what would be compelling is if someone listed 15 equally-strong RSes referring to her as "Danielle Bregoli" and not "Bhad Bhabie". The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, ABC, Billboard, and many others think that their readers know who "Bhad Bhabie" is, since that's what they used in their headline. Which RSes think their readers would recognize her as "Danielle Bregoli"? Levivich 03:38, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
WP:CHERRYPICKING. While you fixate on titles of articles, you miss that most of them mention both names... and actually lead with Bregoli over the rapper name. -- Netoholic @ 05:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
15 is a whole bowl full of cherries. Headlines are more important than the body when it comes to figuring out a COMMONNAME, because the body is where they put the detail, whereas the headline is where they tell the reader what the story is about. We know Bhad Bhabie is the name she is best known by because that's the name WSJ, NYT, WaPo, and 12 other plump and juicy RS cherries used in their headlines. If she were better-known as Danielle Bregoli, then WSJ, NYT, and WaPo would have used that name in their headlines. While I understand you are arguing that she is better known by her real name, I'd rather go with the opinion of WSJ, NYT, WaPo and the rest of my bowl of cherries. (And the search results only reinforce that, no matter how you count them. 175 > 155, after all.) Levivich 05:17, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Nope, I'm saying usage is just too equal right now, and the default should be to retain real name until the stage name is so dominant and well-known that it is used almost exclusively in sources without reference to her real name. -- Netoholic @ 05:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
"used almost exclusively in sources without reference to her real name" is not what COMMONNAME says. WP:COMMONNAME says, "the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". The name that is most commonly used in headlines is Bhad Bhabie. If it were actually "too equal", you'd have listed 15 countervailing RSes by now. Levivich 05:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
15, 30, 100 sources... not here for a pissing contest. You know and I know they are out there. Listing them here is pedantic. I think this thread has exhausted itself. Hopefully, at the least, you've learned something about not using google hit "results" numbers. -- Netoholic @ 05:36, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Bhad Bhabie singles nominated for deletion

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Page watchers may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gucci Flip Flops, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hi Bich, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/These Heaux. Levivich 16:13, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

As an update to this. Hi Bich and These Heaux were kept. Gucci Flip Flops was deleted. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:00, 6 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Image Request

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I think she is famous and well known enough to have an image be put in the info box.--Cadetrain (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

An image would be great! But just to be clear, whether or not an article has an image has nothing to do with whether the subject of the article is famous or well known. All articles should have images! The only reason we don't have an image yet is copyright. The image has to meet Wikipedia:Image use policy–basically, is has to be free or public domain. I hope someone has one or can find one and upload it. Levivich 19:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Yes I agree with you , in each article the should be an image that shows what it talks about and people would easily understand the meaning of it Kxsyty (talk) 10:27, 21 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Unclear references before the lede

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Please remove one of the two lines at the top of the page, before the protection icon:

<ref>https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/40467/1/cash-me-outside-bhad-bhabie-danielle-bregoli-mom-interview</ref> 
<ref>https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/40467/1/cash-me-outside-bhad-bhabie-danielle-bregoli-mom-interview</ref>

Please move the other unclear reference to a better place, e.g., at the end of the lede confirming her real name + age. –84.46.52.94 (talk) 07:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

  Done. Removed; these were added in diffs that were WP:REVDELed, and there's no indication what they were referencing, so I've simply removed them. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2019

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change "Catch me outside, how about that?" to "Cash me outside, howbow dah?"

There's no need to correct it to perfect English. That actually takes away from the reason she rose to "stardom" in the first place. JesseWV (talk) 19:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Or at least change "catch" to "cash". AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
  Already done This is already explained in the body text. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2019

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Category:South Florida Rappers 12.172.222.162 (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

This category doesn't exist, the closest is Category:Rappers from Florida which this page is already in. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:12, 31 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

name

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her full name is Danielle Marie Peskowitz-Bregoli — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.226.6.251 (talk) 13:45, 7 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

High quality sources are required here - Working without independent sources is discouraged

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Regarding [4]:

The following month, she released another single called “Get Like Me” which has a feature from NLE Choppa. [5] On August 22, 2019, she announced the release of her new game “Ride or Die” which features Bregoli as an animated character where the player has to get her to run from the police. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PKrPCE5uoh0


In December 2019, a video of Bregoli wearing box braids was posted to Instagram, causing controversy over cultural appropriation. This caused her to go on a social media hiatus. In February 2020, she ended her hiatus with a freestyle to Nicki Minaj’s song "Yikes", and another song called “$” with Lil Gotit, which were uploaded to streaming services only, also announcing that new music would be out soon. [6] [7]

This material requires an independent source and reworded in a neutral manner to avoid being promotional and in violation of Using the subject as a self-published source.

This article has been the subject of undeclared paid editing, and given Bregoli's popularity we should expect problems with fans providing too much detail and echoing her public relations campaigns. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

@BhadBhabie123:, as I wrote on my talk page [8] the sources used are not of the quality required, nor close. If no find independent and reliable sources are available, the material should be trimmed or removed. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I've gone ahead and removed it, as required by WP:BLP. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I left a message on your talk page and you remove it? How low can you get?? All I’ve done is spoken straight facts and you’ve ignored them with your own opinions, of which you think that I’m a problematic fan. My username may be BhadBhabie123, but does that prove that I’m an over crazed problematic fan, absolutely NO WAY. I write what is correct. So, I’m going to say again what you removed off of your talk page. THE RESOURCES COME FROM BHAD BHABIE HERSELF. HOW MORE RELIABLE DO YOU WANT THE REFERENCES TO BE??? She said it herself, and everything listed there is true. How about you research it yourself. Get Like Me, Yikes and $ are real songs, which have reference to the music videos on her own YouTube page. Ride or Die was also a name, which has a reference to the promotional video on her YouTube page, and can be bought on App Store. So, it is real, and I therefore would like to see why you think it is not? However, that is the question that you have been avoiding for god knows why. You say it must be in a neutral manner when all it states is the release of Get Like Me and who it features, Ride Or Die’s release and the main idea of the game, why she went on hiatus and her new singles. What isn’t neutral manner about that??? And, I must say that her self-published sources may just be for self-promotion, but it still states that she has a game out and serves us information about her life. The point of the reference was not to promote, but was to serve information. Plus, I would like to speak on the allegations of me being paid by whoever you think is paying me by saying that it is not true and that I edit a Wikipedia for fun and to do something, especially whilst we are in lockdown for the 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic whilst I am self isolating and because I want to give people the right information, which is what you are accusing me of not doing.

I want to finish this message by saying that I will not be engaging in an edit war, but I will be undoing your edit of undoing my edit and I will be removing the references that self-promote and I will try to find other articles. Please give me time to find these articles though and please do not remove it straight away. I do not want to engage in an argument of some sort we have no idea who each other is and I do not want to violate any rules on Wikipedia as I’ve only been on here for a year. @Hipal/Ronz (BhadBhabie123 (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC))Reply

  • BhadBhabie123 and myself have since added reliable sources so therefore I see no valid reason for this content to be re-deleted, And before I'm accused of being a fan - Lets just say Also just to add her music isn't to my taste either!. –Davey2010Talk 10:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)(Updated 16:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC))Reply
Both of you: I'm not accusing either of you of anything. Misrepresenting other editors is violation of our behavioral policies. Please focus on content and work collaboratively with others. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'll be removing the unsourced portion if no references are forthcoming. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Can someone find sources so this is not a risk of removal per BLP? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the sources.
Metro.co.uk is not reliable per WP:RSP and WP:RSN. I'll be removing the portion verified by the Metro ref if no far better sources are forthcoming. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Let's find some better sources so it meets BLP criteria and is no longer at risk of removal. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for linking to RSP - I had no idea Metro isn't to be used, Inregards to the song "$" - There's a facebook post from her inregards to it however I don't consider it a source for music releases and more so when that sentence states it was available for streaming.
In regards to the top point - I was simply stating I'm not a fan of her, Just felt that needed to be stated. –Davey2010Talk 16:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Hipal/Ronz, I understand you're trying to apply WP:BLPREMOVE but you should probably tag {{better source needed}} on some of the self-sourced videos and give some room for WP:ABOUTSELF and {{citation needed}} for facts that can easily be sourced with other news sources that are reliable. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:14, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
I have confidence that editors will find the necessary sources. BhadBhabie123 is learning rapidly, and I hope not too frustrated by our interactions. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

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I would like to request a small edit. Would you care to add the image picture of the artist for the wiki page. https://imgur.com/a/bI2obQx

Thought I'd contribute to this wiki article with a appropriate, fitting image/picture. Thanks for your time. SFgamer (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: @SFgamer: This is not the proper place to request a file upload, and in any case the copyright situation of the picture needs to be acceptable too (which is unsure in this case...). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2020

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Add her picture to the sidebar. SWFT ATOMIC (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done. You need to suggest one that's already hosted on Commons (or here, if it's a fair-use image). See WP:IUP for more detail. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Allegations of abuse at Turn-About Ranch

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Ms. Bregoli is trending because of allegations she has made, and posted to social media, regarding abuse she states she suffered at a controversial youth ranch in Utah arranged by the Dr. Phil program in the aftermath of her 2016 appearance. Because the article is protected I thought I would post this here before updating the article. The below reference is from Newsweek. [1]--Msr69er (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Villareal, Daniel (March 19, 2021). "Bhad Bhabie Details Being Forced to Stay Awake for Days After Being Sent to Turn-About Ranch by Dr. Phil". Retrieved 20 March 2021.

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021

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To be honest all I was going to say is that you need to change your birth year to 2002, because, the only reason why I’m saying this is because supposedly she’s already 18 and has an only fans and I’m pretty sure to have an only fans need to be 18 years or older, and the only reason why I’m saying all of this is because you guys have her listed as being born in 2003, when my cousin was born in November 2002 and she’s about to turn 18 this year, so supposedly from what you guys are saying is that she’s seven teen, but the media and the tabloids have all been seeing she’s turned 18 and not only that but she made an only fans and made $6 million or something like that. So because of all the 7 1/2 I think y’all were supposed to change that to 2002 and not 2003 50.30.151.21 (talk) 00:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The fact that someone has an OnlyFans account does not reliably guarantee that they are 18 years or older – it's entirely possible for someone to create an account on any website and lie about their age, while the birth date currently listed in this article is backed by an actual source. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 05:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Correct quoted phrase in intro section

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She's saying "Catch me outside", not "Cash me outside" I don't understand why that's not obvious to people. Why would anyone say that? Watch the clip and you can clearly hear her say "catch". I don't know what to cite as a ref for that so I didn't change it. Allwordnoplay (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

Awards and nominations

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I think I had heard that she was nominated for a Grammy at some point, is that true? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 03:50, 21 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2023

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Rubyis383 (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

born in 2003 so her yeaars active would be 2003-present

  Not done: Read Template:Infobox musical artist Paper9oll (🔔📝) 16:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

To add to article

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To add to this article: a few words of explanation about what Bhad Bhabie does on her OnlyFans account. What do her paid subscribers get for their money? 2605:A000:FFC0:5F:F9BD:9D:B97C:57D4 (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Image Request

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Twillisjr (talk) 14:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Drugstore June

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She it be mentioned that she landed a role in the upcoming film, "Drugstore June"? NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 02:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt19364132/fullcredits/cast/?ref_=tt_cl_sm
Yes, she has a small role as the cashier of a smoke shop. B.Valley (talk) 10:04, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ok. But it appears as though I made a bit of a typo. I meant to say "Should it be mentioned?". NintendoTTTEfan2005 (talk) 14:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2024

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Danielle’s full name is Danielle Marie Bregoli, her middle name being Marie. Peskowitz is her estranged father’s surname, and she is legally emancipated from him. She also started dating her boyfriend LeVaugn in 2022, not 2020. In 2020, she was in a relationship with an Atlanta rapper named Clint for almost 2 years. Rm4151986 (talk) 07:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 08:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Spanned Australia?

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Tour was cancelled. 2403:5807:1A18:0:14D2:F460:8EE3:4EE9 (talk) 08:02, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply