Talk:Bianca Ryan/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cloudz679 (talk · contribs) 06:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

• I will be reviewing this nomination. C679 06:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

There seems like rather a lot to do here, placing the review on hold in order that the following may be sorted out:

Prose

• The prose isn't currently "clear and concise". Sometimes quoted and non-quoted material function seamlessly in a sentence, which is not correct. Mixing of first person and third person makes for difficult reading, e.g. ""she was mostly ignored by other students. "I made no friends" until after school was over." and "she wanted to "live a life, and have purpose and things to write about, because I'm so passionate about writing music now."" and "she "could use an acting coach ... but, see, I'm honest.""

• Fixed.

• The lead doesn't mention her being an actress, but the body (including the infobox) does

• Fixed.

• "a "huge" fan of the Rolling Stones" quote is not necessary, the sense is conveyed by the context

• Fixed.

• ""I had never even experimented with singing" until she was eight years old and started enjoying LeAnn Rimes and country music."

• Fixed.

• "shocked Shawn Ryan" her father?

• Fixed.

• "literal walk-off appearance"

• Fixed.

• "In a video recorded during Live Nation's Nextfest tour, she wished "the best of luck" to the top two finalists." seems to be quotation overuse per Wikipedia:Quotations

• Fixed.

• "Exactly one week after her victory" needs context as the opening line of the section

• Fixed.

• "the album broke in at No. 57"

• Fixed.

• ""I made no friends" until after school was over."

• Fixed.

• "Ryan told fanlala.com in February that she's working with industry veterans like Quincy Jones on a new EP "with music that’s completely written by me. ... It’s more mainstream than anything I’ve written before."[34] She calls her style a blend of "neo soul, kind of R&B-pop sound".[35]"

• Fixed.

• "a summer-long gig" gig as in "festival"?

• Fixed.

• "Ryan, Long and Pryce" shouldn't this be "and Watkins"?

• Changed to just Pryce per designation on official poster art.

• "In 2012, she joined the cast of We Are Kings, an independent, crowdsourced feature film in which two homeless musicians (played by Ryan and blues artist Jonathon Boogie Long) and a runaway rapper (Pryce Watkins) join forces with an elder bluesman, playing gigs in an effort to raise the money needed to send him back home to save his comatose wife and their repossessed blues club." this sentence is too long and should be split into more manageable sentences

• Fixed.

• Unsure why unreferenced and apparently uncharting EPs are in a table.

• All within the body; if memory serves, charting is unnecessary for an artist's discography to be all-inclusive.

Referencing

• I have concerns about the reliance of much of the content on Youtube videos, in particular those released through Ryan's own account.

• I've tried to keep that to a minimum, but some of her more recent updates are self-produced or -uploaded.

• "By December 2014, an early upload of Ryan's audition had topped the 11-million-views mark at YouTube.[15]" fn15 mentions January 2007?

  Yes, date of original upload. See also next reply.

• Some of the Youtube references do not link to the videos

  Unfortunately, per WP:COPYVIO, they cannot. The unique identifier for each video is included within an invisible comment in the article. Again, I've tried to keep this to a minimum, and for non-controversial data.

• Chart positions for what appears to be her only album are not fully referenced (criteria 2b)

• Working on it. (Edit: ref "BRcharts" cites all with no visible cite; see accompanying invisible comment [there are 12 such comments total].)

• "she impressed the judges and shocked Shawn Ryan, who had "never heard her sing like that."[12]" The only mention of Shawn Ryan at fn 12 is that he is her General Manager

• Fixed.

• what makes about.com a reliable source?

• Fixed.

• "a summer-long gig at the Atlantic City Trump Plaza." unreferenced

• Fixed.

Broad

• There seem to be big holes, released a song in 2010 then had an interview 2 years later, then another 2 years before the next thing.

• Explained in the text; time off for school. (Edit: minor rewrite.)

Neutrality

• Quite a lot of the material is closely connected with the subject, e.g. from her own youtube channel. Should be checked again after the identified issues have been addressed.

• It would be nice (); I'll keep looking.

Stability

• The nominator appears to still be putting this article together, which makes reviewing difficult. Since I may be using a version which pre-dates some of these edits, some of these observations may already have been addressed. Ideally, the article should be ready to be reviewed at the time the nomination is made. I would ask the nominator for notification when the article is ready to be looked at again, following the addressing of issues mentioned here.

• Agreed; in my defense, I was swamped with work and another GAN (and some of the edits came as a result of what I'd learned during that GAN); these can take months so I thought I had time.

Images

• Licenses are suitable, captions are ok. C679 15:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you again for taking this on. There are a few potential issues I'm still researching. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 02:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Update: I believe everything is addressed for the moment; looking forward to pass 2. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 23:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

• Further comments:
• "Her singing talent came as something of a surprise" to whom?
• "She had not attempted to sing until she was eight years old" did not attempt
• "Ryan convinced him" Ryan appears to be Shawn Ryan in this context, but I have a feeling it refers to Bianca. Use of first names could be justified here.
• "Ryan ultimately lost to Spensha Baker" does this mean in the final?

• All of the above fixed.

• is internet still capitalised?

• Yes.

• "showcasing "her gargantuan chops and sweet charm"" doesn't seem to be attributed, doesn't add any value to the prose

• Per Matt Collar (please don't forget the invisible comments citing multiple sentences). That being said, for the sake of clarity, I changed "believed" to "added" and, yes, I believe this adds to the prose.

• "vocal talent."."
• "Still, "I wanted to live a life, and have purpose and things to write about, because I'm so passionate about writing music now."" this still has the third person/first person issue discussed above.

• Both fixed.

• "Her acting debut was a walk-off appearance in the 2005 film 12 and Holding; her character is shown at a school function singing the final line of "Oh! Susanna", thanking the audience, and leaving the stage.[14]" this could be better placed in the "acting" section, to give better context to the current opening clause "Ryan returned to acting in 2010"

• Fixed; of couse, this leaves a one-sentence graf that would not pass a theoretical FAC.

• Do youtube videos "with no authorization data" qualify as reliable sources?

C679 06:50, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

• I believe this constitutes non-controversial data that helps flesh out the narrative. (Edit: the passage with respect to "Piece of My Heart" has been particularly difficult to source, because so many news agencies picked up on an error–that the judges loved it. The audience loved it, but the judges were unanimously critical, several copies of this video exist but none authorized [that I can find].) —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 07:53, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Update: aaaaaaaaand they're gone. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 20:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

• The article is definitely in much better shape. Why is the film We Are Kings later referred to in the lead (and again in the acting section) as Kings? Would suggest "the film/movie". The sentence "She did not attempt singing until she was eight years old" is probably not suitable. Is there any child who didn't try to sing at some early stage? "In the end, Ryan lost to Spensha Baker.[13]" This is something I had a question about earlier, it is still not clear to me. Was this loss during the final of the competition, or in the first round, or at some other point? "She would later win" - She later won. "Her first concert tour" Ryan's first… Last thing, the File:BR AGT audition.ogg description appears to be in need of a little updating, in particular the info about the clip length. That should be all. C679 17:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

• All fixed. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 19:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Listed

My thanks to Cloudz679 for your invaluable efforts in returning this article to GA status! Cheers! —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 23:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)