Talk:Biddle family

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I know a living Owen Biddle who is related to Francis Biddle, Attorney General under FDR and Nuremberg Tribunal judge. He told me that this line of Biddles are not related to the jewelry Biddle family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.11.139.121 (talk) 00:44, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Samuel Biddle

Does anyone know if Samuel Biddle, a partner in the Philadelphia jewelery firm Bailey, Banks & Biddle, is related to the Biddle family described here? See [1] for the connection. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That link is now dead, evidently after Finlay Enterprises went out of business. The Bailey Banks & Biddle still redirects there; not sure who runs it now, but there is a web site with a short about us page that makes it seem the company might be notable, e.g. for its work on historic seals and medals. this book says Samuel Biddle was born July 10, 1844 and died March 4, 1919 according to a family web site. Ancestors were William Biddle 1806–1887, and Elizabeth Garrett (1806–1881), then John Biddle (1763–1815) and then Owen Biddle, Sr. (1737–1799). W Nowicki (talk) 16:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Biddle Bros - related??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Soffel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.96.60 (talk) 23:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Relations

Let me see if an indented family tree would work to show relationships.

Branch of William Biddle, 3rd (1698–1756) and Mary Scull (1709–1790)

• Lydia Biddle (1734–1767), married William Macfunn (died 1768)
  • William Macfunn Biddle (1764–1809), married Lydia Spencer (1766–1858)
    • Lydia Spencer Biddle (1797–1871), married Samuel Baird (1786–1833)
      • Mary Deborah Baird (1829–1900), married distant cousin Henry Jonathan Biddle (1817–1862), endowed Biddle University
• John "Jacky" Biddle (1736–?) married Sophia Boone
  • Edward Biddle bought Biddle House on Mackinac Island
  • William Biddle married Abigail Johnson
    • Joseph Cadwallader Biddle (1802?–1884) married Elizabeth Cook (?–1899)
      • William Biddle married Anna W.?
        • Frederick Davis Biddle married Estelle Warne Harbeson
          • Eric Harbeson Biddle (1898–1993), businessman and diplomat
• Edward Biddle (1738–1779), lawyer, soldier, Continental Congress married Elizabeth Ross, sister of George Ross
• Charles Biddle (1745–1821), politician married Hannah Shepard
  • James Biddle (1783–1848), Navy commodore
  • Nicholas Biddle (1786–1844), banker married Jane Craig
    • Edward Biddle (1815–1873), married Jane Josephine Sarmiento
      • Edward Biddle (1851–1933), married Emily Taylor Drexel (1851–1883) daughter of Anthony Joseph Drexel and Lillian Howard lee (1862–1946)
        • Anthony Joseph Drexel Biddle, Sr. (1874–1948), The Happiest Millionaire
          • Anthony Joseph Drexel Biddle, Jr. (1897–1961), diplomat, married Mary Duke
          • Cordelia Drexel Biddle (1898–1984) married Angier Buchanan Duke (1884–1923)
            • Angier Biddle Duke (1915–1995), diplomat
          • Livingston Ludlow Biddle (1899–1981) married Kate Raboteau Page (1903–?), daughter of Robert N. Page
            • Livingston Ludlow Biddle (1926–2009) married Elizabeth "Betsy" Elwell Collin
        • Livingston Ludlow Biddle (1877–1959), married Euginie Carter Law
          • Livingston L. Biddle, Jr. (1918–2002), chairman National Endowment for the Arts
            • Cordelia Frances Biddle (born 1947) author
        • Nicholas Biddle (1893–1977), married Sarah Lippincott (1894–1962), granddaughter of J.B. Lippincott Company founder and Joseph Wharton
          • John Biddle (1925–2008), yachting cinematographer
    • Charles John Biddle (1819–1873), soldier, lawyer, congresssman married Emma Mather (1830–1918)
      • Charles Biddle (1857–1923) married Letitia Glenn
        • Charles John Biddle (1890–1972), aviator and lawyer
      • Alexander Mercer Biddle (1865–?), married Marriet Fox (1867–?)
        • Sydney Biddle (1901–?), married Donald Byers Barrows (1898–1991)
          • Donald Byers Barrows, Jr. married Jeannette Ballantine
            • Sydney Biddle Barrows (born January 14, 1952), known as "Mayflower Madame"
  • Thomas Biddle (1790–1831), War of 1812 died in duel
  • John Biddle (1792–1859), Michigan politician married Eliza Falconer Bradish
    • Magaretta Falconer Biddle (1825–1913), married General Andrew Porter (1820–1872)
    • William Shepard Biddle (1830–1901), married Susan Dayton Ogden
      • John Biddle (1859–1936), Superintendent of the United States Military Academy
      • William Shepard Biddle II (1863–1938), married Margaret Alden Burrell
        • William Shepard Biddle III (1900–1981), Major General in World War II
  • Richard Biddle (1796–1847), U.S. Representative
• Nicholas Biddle (1750–1778), Revolutionary War Navy captain

Branch of John Biddle (1707–1789) and Sarah Owen (1711–1773):

• Owen Biddle, Sr. (1737–1799), married Sarah Parke
  • John Biddle (1763–1815)
    • William Biddle (1806–1887), married Elizabeth Garrett (1806–1881)
      • Samuel Biddlle (1844–1919) Bailey Banks & Biddle
  • Owen Biddle, Jr. (1774–1806),
  • Clement Biddle (1778–1856), married Mary Canby (1780–1849)
    • Robert M. Biddle (1814–1902), married Anna Miller (1823–1891)
      • Henry Canby Bidde (1845–1886), married Anna Mary McIlvain (1850–1926)
        • Robert Ralston Biddle (1885–?), lent name to Biddle Motor Car Company
• Clement Biddle (1740–1814), married Rebekah Cornell
  • Thomas A. Biddle (1776–1857), married Christine Williams (1780–1861)
    • Henry Jonathan Biddle (1817–1862), married Biddle cousin Mary Deborah Baird (1829–1900) who Biddle University, died in Civil War
    • Alexander Biddle (1819–1899), Lieutenant Colonel in Civil War married Julia Williams Rush (1833–1898) granddaughter of Benjamin Rush
  • Mary Biddle (1781–1850) married Thomas Cadwalader (1779–1841), son of General John Cadwalader
  • Clement Cornell Biddle (1784–1855), married Mary Searle Barclay
    • John Barclay Biddle MD (1815–1879), married Caroline Phillips (1821–1906)
      • William P. Biddle (1853–1923), Commandant of the Marine Corps
    • George Washington Biddle (1818–1897) married Maria McMurtrie
      • Algernon Sydney Biddle (1847–1891) married Frances Robinson
        • George Biddle (1885–1973), artist
        • Francis Beverly Biddle (1886–1968), judge in Nuremberg trials.
    • Chapman Biddle (1822–1880), Civil War colonel
  • James Cornell Biddle (1795–1838), married Sarah Caldwell Keppele (1789–1877) daughter of Michael Keppele (1771–1821)
    • Cadwalader Biddle (1837–1906), founder of Union League of Philadelphia
• Ann Biddle (1742–1807) married James Wilkinson (1757–1825)

W Nowicki (talk) 02:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Doubtful ones

Moving ones without articles nor citations (first one especially dubious):

• Thomas Edward Biddle Sr. (1900–1944), veteran of the First World War, was awarded two purple hearts after being shot by a German sniper the day before and after his 19th birthday in the head
• Richard Thomas Biddle (born 1955) Former CEO of the Philadelphia Zoo
• David Biddle, (born 1958) Former Director of the Greater Philadelphia Commercial Recycling Council, Current Recycling Director for the City of Philadelphia.

W Nowicki (talk) 20:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Have you considered Owen Biddle (musician)?--DThomsen8 (talk) 21:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

The above list was just the ones without articles nor citations. That one has an article, but looking at it, nowhere in the article does it even mention any ties to the family. A few others do assert a connection, but I would say unless there is some evidence of a relation, just sharing a surname does not qualify the inclusion. There already is a Biddle disambig page for people sharing the name. So unless sources are found they should not be on this list, right? W Nowicki (talk) 19:52, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

They should not be on this family tree list, but they should be on the disambig page for the convenience of editors and readers.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, looking at Owen Biddle (musician) I see two sources that say he is related, although both refer to Wikipedia! So not sure they can be classified as "reliable". However, one claims the author contacted his father and confirmed. So perhaps accept good faith and just say exact relation not known. That source also says that Jesse Biddle is 9th cousin, even though in the Jesse article it does not mention any ties to this family, and it is not in the category. One of the sources does say his father is David, presumably the one listed above as born in 1958?

W Nowicki (talk) 21:28, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

When I get the opportunity, I will go to the HSP and make a copy of their Biddle geneology for posting here. --DThomsen8 (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes thanks, that might help. The finding aids are online, but there is probably more of course in the files. Meanwhile still work to do:

Now Melvin E. Biddle article does not assert any connection to this line, and is not in the category. Not from Pennsylvania either.

Christopher Columbkille Biddle makes the assertion in the article and is in the Category, but without any source to back it up. I doubt that article would survive a notability challenge, since the only sources are company web sites and two press releases. Looks like just a vanity self-promotion page.

    ** Note: this particular Christopher C. Biddle is the grandson of Eric Harbeson Biddle, who appears above in Nowicki's chart, hence the original inclusion on the Biddle Family page for these particular branches.

Peter Biddle asserts a connection and is in the category, but without any source.

John Biddle (yachting cinematographer) seems to given a connection. Will work on that. his article needs to be more encyclopedic instead of promotional, but seems notable.

W Nowicki (talk) 21:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Woah. When did this page switch from being a list of notable members of the Biddle family to only notable members who are specific descendants of specific Biddles? Centerone (talk) 23:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I just started editing this today, so I don't know the history of the page. Right now it's the history of known descendents of the brothers William and John Biddle, who settled in Philadelphia, along with their notable descendents. It doesn't include everyone who happens to have the Biddle name because they're not necessarily related. My guess is that descendents of William and John, being so notable, have a well-known pedigree, and therefore constitute a family, as opposed to just sharing the same surname.

I converted the list into a pedigree because almost everybody on the list fit in the pedigree W Nowicki made. The ones I removed are listed in the section "Change list to pedigree" below. Tocharianne (talk) 00:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Well then either we need two pages.. One specifically on "descendants of the X & Y Biddle..." and another of "List of Biddles"... either that or perhaps totally transforming the page is not necessary. Rather than deletions perhaps a section could be called "Other notable Biddles". i.e. a list of Biddles who may or may not be related, but are notable. It is likely that at least _some_ of them are, such as the Philadelphians David Biddle & Jesse Biddle. (David didn't have a page, but I believe he has held a number of notable positions in his career(s).) With hundreds of years of history, and several branches of the family the genealogy is probably pretty spread out by now. Centerone (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Since this page is called Biddle Family, every one on it, by definition, must be related to each other. Compare this to Bush family which does not include anyone with the Bush name unless they're explicitly related. Other Biddles are already included in the Biddle page. Certainly this particular Biddle family appears to be the most prominent one as shown by the large number of members who have wiki pages. Tocharianne (talk) 14:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

This one doubtful, as you mention. Thomas Edward Biddle Sr. (1900–1944), veteran of the First World War, was awarded two purple hearts after being shot by a German sniper the day before and after his 19th birthday in the head. The armistice was in November 1918, before he could have turned 19. Valetude (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Sydney Biddle Barrows?

Would it be too vexatious to include 'Mayflower Madam' Sydney Biddle Barrows as a curio-footnote to this colourful family history? 109.154.27.194 (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Nicholas Biddle

i have removed the name of nicholas biddle, born 1986. it linked to a disambiguation page with 2 n.b's, neither of them him. being an amateur boxer or graduate in architecture 3 years ago do not make one notable.i suspect someone thought this amusing.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Change list to pedigree

I changed the list of people to the pedigree that W Nowicki made, which is much easier to read,

I kept Peter Biddle since his page asserts he's a descendent of Nicholas Biddle.

I removed the following who don't assert a genealogy on their page:

• Owen L. Biddle, (born 1977) The Roots bass guitarist, record producer, and songwriter in Philadelphia
• Jesse Biddle (born 1991) Philadelphia Phillies first round, draft pick in 2010. Now pursues a professional baseball career.

I removed the following who don't have wikipages and have no known genealogy:

• William Jesse Biddle (born 1959), works for A.R.D in international development. Won the official, Rhode Island State Championship in squash.
• Christopher Columbkille Biddle (born 1963), entrepreneur and enterprise software creator, Chief Executive Officer - IdealNet, Inc. Chief Executive Officer - BCGAlpha, llc.

   ** Note: this particular Christopher C. Biddle is the grandson of Eric Harbeson Biddle, who appears above in Nowicki's chart, hence the original inclusion on the Biddle Family page for these particular branches.

• Ellery Roberts Biddle, (born 1983) Global Internet freedom advocate, writer, researcher in San Francisco

Tocharianne (talk) 18:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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