Talk:Big Brother (Australian TV series) season 1

Extremely POV/Citations needed

For edits regarding popularity, as well as a good clean up needed.ZlatkoT 11:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

If by popularity you're referring to Sara-Marie, it's true. It's on the BB06 website as well. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 11:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no references for it though.ZlatkoT 11:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There's no point, because the series just ended; and the website will most likely be taken down in a week or so, or replaced with a new site for BB07 information. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 12:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

This page is inconsistent with the latest style of the series Big Brother Australia series 6, and needs to be brought up to date with images, bios, diary, etc. Ste4k 10:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

There's not much information left about the earlier series, but I can try my best to expand on it later, if people don't mind. --JD^talk_email 10:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It would appear to be more important than editing the current version. The longer this waits, the less odds people will have of finding the information. You should also consider that you are not the only editor on Wikipedia. Ste4k 10:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course I'm not, but it seems unlikely that anybody else would do it, since the page is so old and no major edits have been made in a while. If anybody else is willing to do it, then by all means I'm not going to complain or anything. I was just saying that I will try later today, to try and do that. --JD^talk_email 10:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I find it puzzeling that you believe that you can both predict the future and judge the rest of all of the editors on Wiki in such a manner. Clearly you fail to recognize that by scheduling cleanup this is the purpose of such actions. Thanks Ste4k 11:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

If by preficting the future you're referring to my last comments on this page, I'm not making a prediction, I'm assuming. I know I shouldn't assume, but based on the page history it seemed unlikely that anybody else would do anything major. I'm not trying to schedule anything, I'm just saying that if nobody else does anything major to the article by the time I'm back at home, I will try to do something to help it. Sorry if the way I'm coming across seems a bit arrogant or anything like that, it wasn't what I was trying for. --JD^talk_email 11:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup started with some links. Not sure what "jargon" needs a cleanup though. I'll add some more info on this first season when I think of it. Big Brother has really come under the magnifying glass on wikipedia this last couple of days. Look at the failed attempts to have Ryan Fitzgerald and Simon Deering evicted and the arguments over Tim Brunero and David Mathew. Asa01 11:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Date Clarification

Series 1 is listed as starting on April 23, which was a Monday (I just checked). Can someone confirm that the opening night was aired on the Monday? I thought they all started on Sunday, but I might be wrong. This also applies to Series 2's starting date, was that a Monday, too?

Series 1 actually started on a Tuesday, though the housemates went in on a Monday. Series 2 aired on a Monday, the housemates entered on the Sunday. I think in Series 3 and 4 opening night was on a Sunday and it was live, from Series 5 on housemates have entered on the Saturday (which was known as Day 0 not Day 1) and it was aired on the Sunday. -- 3bay sam 04:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Birthdays

This is from IMDb. I don't know if it's correct or not, so I haven't added it to the article.

Sharna West 30 April 1966, Johnny Cass/Cacciola 24 Dec 1970, Peter Timbs 26 May 1972, Gordon Sloan 31 Oct 1972, Todd James 18 Jan 1974, Christina Davis 7 April 1974, Jemma Gawned 22 Dec 1974, Andy Silva 27 Jan 1976, Lisa Standing 19 Dec 1976, Anita Bloomfield 21 June 1978, Sara-Marie Fedele 18 Aug 1978, Ben Williams 21 Sept 1979, Rachel Corbett 11 March 1981, Blair McDonough 30 April 1981

Intruders

Rachel (2001), Nicole (2002), Jaime (2003), Violeta (2004) were all evicted through existing housemates voting for which intruder they wanted to stay. Each year, these specials were advertised as "Housemate's Revenge". Only Jaime from 2003 is quoted as being evicted in this way. Due to no public involvement, this is significant and thus I have added these to the respective years' HM tables.

121.45.231.227 11:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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Upgraded to C-Class

I have upgraded this article to C-Class as it meets the criteria, the article has a good amount of information but not enough yet for B-Class. More reliable sources would be good to improve the article. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Week 11 nominations?

The information in the table for week 11 looks wrong. The table indicates that Ben was nominated, but gives a percentage for the votes received by Blair. The nominations in the top part of the table suggests that Ben would have been nominated, not Blair. Is somebody able to clarify this? 124.168.60.121 (talk) 10:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 June 2018

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Moved as proposed. Consensus is clear. bd2412 T 02:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

• Big Brother 1 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 1)
• Big Brother 2 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 2)
• Big Brother 3 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 3)
• Big Brother 4 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 4)
• Big Brother 5 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 5)
• Big Brother 6 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 6)
• Big Brother 7 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 7)
• Big Brother 8 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 8)
• Big Brother 9 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 9)
• Big Brother 10 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 10)
• Big Brother 11 (Australia) → Big Brother (Australia season 11)

– I could not find sources to support that each season was individually numbered by the broadcasters or the production company for this edition. In an effort to align the naming convention guidelines of WP:BIGBRO with the established guidelines of WP:NCTV I'm proposing we move the individual season articles to the names suggested. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom and WP:NCTV. As the nominator points out, the Australian seasons were never known by season numbers within the title. If seasons were distinguished between in media, it is far more likely to be refered to as "Big Brother 2006" than "Big Brother 6" for example. The proper Australian title was always simply "Big Brother" -- Whats new?^(talk) 07:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom and User:Whats new?. Individual seasons were known in the media by the year, even to the point where pre-season advertisements for the 5th and 6th seasons hinted at the nicknames BB05 and BB06[1][2] Reader781 (talk) 07:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom, previous voters, WP:RS, and WP:NCTV. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support as long as the title really is Big Brother and not Big Brother Australia. This "Big Brother x (Country_name_here)" stuff is just aberrant. We don't do that with any articles titles about anything, meanwhile we have a stable and site-wide TV convention of "Title_here (season X)", from which there is no reason to diverge in this case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:21, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support: Although some people may call the show Big Brother Australia, official sources do not refer to it by that name, but rather Big Brother; therefore, we must comply with WP:NCTV. OfficerAPC (talk) 19:33, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Support per my original rationale. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:13, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Neutral, but CREATE REDIRECTS no matter what happens. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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Just noticed this was mistakenly moved to (Australia season x) instead of (Australian season x) (per WP:NCTV country of broadcas adjective). --Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 3 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: A good discussion has taken place here, but the result is to move the pages. Pages should follow the relevant guidelines and if people disagree with the guideline, the problems should be raised on that talk page, not on individual RMs. This is especially relevant given the statement on WP:NCTV "If there are multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description". Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Big Brother (Australia season 1) → Big Brother (Australian season 1)
• Big Brother (Australia season 2) → Big Brother (Australian season 2)
• Big Brother (Australia season 3) → Big Brother (Australian season 3)
• Big Brother (Australia season 4) → Big Brother (Australian season 4)
• Big Brother (Australia season 5) → Big Brother (Australian season 5)
• Big Brother (Australia season 6) → Big Brother (Australian season 6)
• Big Brother (Australia season 7) → Big Brother (Australian season 7)
• Big Brother (Australia season 8) → Big Brother (Australian season 8)
• Big Brother (Australia season 9) → Big Brother (Australian season 9)
• Big Brother (Australia season 10) → Big Brother (Australian season 10)
• Big Brother (Australia season 11) → Big Brother (Australian season 11)

– The previous move was not completed with the correct WP:NCTV naming convention. NCTV says to Prefix the country of broadcast (adjective), which in this case would be Australian instead of Australia (which is similar to Big Brother (Australian TV series)). Gonnym (talk) 21:05, 3 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support: WP:NCTV does indeed say to use the adjective (and gives the example of "Canadian" as opposed to "Canada"). Should've checked the convention first time around.--Reader781 (talk) 22:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

* Oppose: I see no evidence that supports the claim in the RM. The guideline that the nominator states only applies to the overall series article. If you see WP:TVSEASON which strictly applies to season articles there is nothing that says which to use (unless I'm missing it?). Maybe this requires a bigger discussion? TheDoctorWho (talk) 23:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

• I posted a more complete explanation in a different thread, so copying it to here also. From WP:NCTV: If there are multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description, for example, "The Apprentice (U.S. season 1)" and "The Apprentice (UK series one)". - the "above" section mentioned refers to Prefix the country of broadcast (adjective) – (U.S. TV series), (Canadian TV series), (UK TV series). --Gonnym (talk) 00:12, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

• It appears I read right over that when reading the guideline page. Thanks for pointing it out. Anyways Support: per nom and other comments. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:32, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

• Comment – I'm leaning/inclined to oppose this right now, in lieu of a wider discussion on this. But there are numerous current examples of "Australia season [x]" use – e.g. The Voice (Australia season 7), The Bachelor (Australia season 2), etc. So this probably requires a wider discussion on the question. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:41, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for now — For this edition I double checked before I requested the original RM and the current names falls under current usage. I also support IJBall's statement above. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Just as a note here I noticed the same issue with the RM about Denmark's season articles. This issue seems more like an issue WP:NCTV needs to have a wider discussion and clarification about for general naming purposes instead if targeted RMs for select articles. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:06, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support - this is covered under WP:TVSEASON which shows that we use the same adjectival method for season article disambiguation as used for their main series article. -- Netoholic @ 17:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
• Support as nominator. Noticed I forgot. --Gonnym (talk) 22:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

• Gonnym, I see you've added these statements to other discussions as well, but please note WP:RM#Nom. Dekimasuよ! 20:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: There have been several comments above that question whether Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television) (an official naming convention, listed at Category:Wikipedia naming conventions and at WP:AT) should be applied as suggested, and/or suggesting discussion in view of the number of other articles similarly affected. IMO, this RM is the place to start that discussion, and it has started above. Suggest we continue below. Andrewa (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose? - I'm honestly not sure this is a quick and easy move. As mentioned by User:IJBall in the Australia discussion, "there are numerous current examples of "Australia season [x]" in use – e.g. The Voice (Australia season 7), The Bachelor (Australia season 2), etc. So this probably requires a wider discussion on the question." Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:10, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

  Yes, this one requires a new "mass" move request, beyond just the BB 'season' articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:19, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

  The fact that some titles don't yet comply with the guideline is not a rationale to make fewer of them comply with the guideline.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support per WP:TVSEASON and WP:CONSISTENCY, even if we need to do more consistency work with regard to old articles like The Bachelor (Australia season 2), etc. WP:There is no deadline.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

Does Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television) apply, and/or does it need clarification on this point?

And I suggest that it would be good to cite other articles which are or aren't similarly affected. Andrewa (talk) 02:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:NCTV does indeed apply, as that is the sole purpose of a naming convention guideline. Does it need clarification? Also no. While it may not be ordered correctly in my opinion, the guideline is pretty straight forward in how this should go: If there are multiple shows of the same name, include the disambiguation, similar to the above for TV series in the season description, for example, "The Apprentice (U.S. season 1)" and "The Apprentice (UK series one)". with the "above" mentioned referring to: Prefix the country of broadcast (adjective)) – (U.S. TV series), (Canadian TV series), (UK TV series).. Additionally, There is no need to bring in other articles as I'm sure there are numerous articles that aren't adhering to a guideline or policy, that doesn't mean they suddenly become a consensus. Regardless, if anyone feels the guideline should be changed, that is a different discussion which should probably be held over at the naming convention page. --Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I've been convinced by the ongoing discussion that it should be "(Australian season x)" (at least in this case). But I'd rather this not be done "piecemeal", and be done "all at once" with all of the mis-disambiguated Australian "season" articles moved en masse. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:29, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Is this technically possible? How would this be done? I am of course in support of that action, I do however think that this move request should not be taken "hostage" by a future mass move. --Gonnym (talk) 20:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, a "mass move" is certainly possible – {{Requested move}} allows for it. Note that I have not formally !voted in this particular RM, and probably won't. But I do feel it would be better if all of these mis-disambiguated Australian "season" articles were handled in a single RM. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I know about requesting more articles via the RM template, but that requires first finding the articles then manually adding them in. I was asking if there was a way not to do it manually, as I know that I do not have the will to do that. For this move, I did request all the seasons of BB so they are all handled together. --Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I'm honestly don't think these are just quick and easy moves. As mentioned by User:Alucard 16, "WP:NCTV (as the guidance for editors) is not clear that the adjective should be applied to season articles like its parent series". As mentioned in the Denmark discussion, other examples include "X Factor (Denmark season 8) and Idols (Denmark season 1)"; in the Argentina discussion, examples include "Bailando por un Sueño (Argentina season 1)". As mentioned by User:IJBall in the Australia discussion, "there are numerous current examples of "Australia season [x]" in use – e.g. The Voice (Australia season 7), The Bachelor (Australia season 2), etc. So this probably requires a wider discussion on the question." Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Refocus - noun or adjective

There have been a number of comments and !votes at this and related RMs, strongly expressing both views.

Hopefully, we can get a consensus here one way or the other. That's the idea, anyway.

And without this, it's pointless discussing how to do the mass moves this might justify. Andrewa (talk) 23:28, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Again, I'm pointing you to WP:NCTV. The guideline says to use the adjective. If you, or someone else, disagrees, go over there and start a discussion to change it as a consensus was previously reached at one point. A local consensus on this page cannot change a naming convention guideline. --Gonnym (talk) 23:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I generally agree with this, though I feel there are a few specifics where this merits further discussion (possibly at WT:NCTV) – namely "Dutch", and also possibly "French" and "Danish", as all the "adjective forms" for these deviate at least somewhat substantially from the country name. There are also a few others where the "adjective" form hasn't been used because it is awkward – e.g. "Hong Kong" (no one seems to use "Hong Kongian"(?!)...). But examples like "Canadian", "Australian", and "Croatian", etc. are to my thinking "no brainers", and should all be at the "adjective form" of disambiguation, as per WP:NCTV... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:10, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

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