Talk:Big Brother 4 (American season)

Untitled

I have put Amanda Craig page up for deletion as not notable. Ohconfucius 03:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Housemates

I added a list of houseguests for this season. A-Supreme 06:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Logo

What is the logo's code for an image to be added? User:ScottAHudson

Big Brother 4 Chronology Table

I am going to start work on the Chronology Table for this season. Would anyone like to help out? Alucard 16 07:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I can ScottAHudson 00:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ScottAHudson, I am going to finish fixing the Big Brother 7 (US) Chronology table so that the Competitions table can be removed. I think since this season doesn't have any Chronology at all we should use the Official CBS website for this season and be sure to cite the information as we fix the table.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I have the structure of the table if we could start working on it!! ScottAHudson 13:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If someone could help with the table, that would be fantastic!!!!ScottAHudson 01:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I will continue working on the table in a couple of days or weeks! ScottAHudson 6;12 15 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.90.198 (talk)

Not upgraded to C-Class

This article needs some kind of reliable sources and references before it can be moved to C-Class. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Scott

"then he chose to leave after the house guests did not accept his apology."

If he CHOSE to leave then he was not expelled. Right?--Bkopicz3 (talk) 03:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

CBS stated he was expelled from the game. Therefor, the article should state the same.

Makeover

I updated the page by deleting the events chart (with competition names, nominations, etc.) from the page in favor of a written summary, as found in the pages for BB seasons 11 and onward. I also updated the "Format" section to include the Golden PoV and X-Factor twist added this season. If somebody could find time to make a HouseGuest chart (with their name, age, and occupation) the page would be mostly up to par with the pages of the latest seasons. I'd do it myself, but I don't know how to make the chart. Also, in the Voting History, the "Head of Household" cube has the phrase written all on one line, with every other season has "Head of" on top, and "Household" on the bottom. Any way to fix this? Thanks in advance. :)

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Improved Table Format

Hey, I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but I had updated the format of the table without having posted it to a talk page and was subsequently told to to so.

I have added to the HouseGuest table to include the date of eviction (per other live produced shows including I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (UK TV series)), whether they were a juror (per Survivor (franchise)) and specifying the order in which they were evicted ("1st evicted", "2nd evicted", ect) as both stated show have on their tables. This format looks more complete and informative than the prior version. I had also added a

An example of how I'd format the table (for BBUS4) is below (including a section for the ex twist, similar Big_Brother_6_(U.S._season)'s secret partner section on that table) - A similar section can be included when such a twist occurs in a given season (such as pair or team-based twists) and doesn't get included when such a twist doesn't exist.

Name	Age on entry	Occupation	Hometown	Ex-Partner	Day entered	Day exited	Result
Jun Song	27	Investment manager	New York City, New York	Jee	1	82	Winner on 24th September 2003
Alison Irwin	22	Retail sales manager	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania	Justin	1	82	Runner-Up on 24th September 2003
Robert Roman	33	Restaurant manager	Los Angeles, California	Erika	1	75	10th Evicted 7th Juror on 17th September 2003
Erika Landin	33	Pilates instructor	Los Angeles, California	Robert	1	68	9th Evicted 6th Juror on 10th September 2003
Jee Choe	23	Bookkeeper	Elmhurst, New York	Jun	1	61	8th Evicted 5th Juror on 3rd September 2003
Jack Owens	58	Retired FBI agent	Birmingham, Alabama	No Ex	1	54	7th Evicted 4th Juror on 27th August 2003
Justin Giovinco	22	Headhunter	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania	Alison	1	47	6th Evicted 3rd Juror on 20th August 2003
Nathan Marlow	23	Personal trainer	Edmond, Oklahoma	No Ex	1	40	5th Evicted 2nd Juror on 13th August 2003
Dana Varela	28	Karate school manager	Queens, New York	No Ex	1	33	4th Evicted 1st Juror on 6th August 2003
David Lane	21	Former army ranger	Deerfield Beach, Florida	Michelle	1	26	3rd Evicted on 30th July 2003
Michelle Maradie	19	College student	Boca Raton, Florida	David	1	19	2nd Evicted on 23th July 2003
Amanda Craig	25	Bar manager	Chicago, Illinois	Scott	1	12	1st Evicted on 16th July 2003
Scott Weintraub	33	Waiter	Chicago, Illinois	Amanda	1	8	Expelled on 12 July 2003

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Helloman124 (talk • contribs) 06:38, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

Since this season has concluded some editors might not see this discussion let me post a message over at Celebrity Big Brother 2 (U.S. season) since that is more active at the moment. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 14:05, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Partners do not exist in any UK BB or Celebrity Get Me Out of Here series, other than as a very transient part of a game or twist lasting a couple of days and in only a couple of series. That is a lot of white space in over 50 articles. Leaky Caldron 14:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@Leaky caldron: The Ex-Partners column would be a season specific column that would only be applicable to that season. Helloman124 provided Big Brother 6 (U.S. season) as an example where a "Secret Partner" column replaced it. The part that would be applicable to BBUK would be adding the actual dates to the results column and changing "Evicted" to "nth Evicted". I agree with you about the white space maybe that could be fixed somehow if the change in the results column is adopted. The only change I'm opposed to at the moment is the "Ex-Partner" column for this article. The names of the exes are explained in prose above the current table and are color coded in the "Voting history" table. I'm unsure about adding the dates to the results column. Just because I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (UK TV series) and Survivor (U.S. TV series) does this doesn't mean Big Brother has to follow but it would provide consistency. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 15:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I know it's going off topic a little bit and not discussing this matter, but when the colours were decided to go to green for winner, blue for runner-up (which i agree with), why was it decided that the finalists colour was that pale colour, would it not have made more sense to keep those yellow?

Also I don't think i'd be totally against the "nth evicted", however Big Brother uses the "Day..." rather than the dates (in the UK, Australia etc at least), so I'd be more inclined to remove the exit column and have "Evicted on Day...", but that's just my opinion. ThisIsDanny (talk) 15:26, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@ThisIsDanny: The colors were part of a discussion on the project talk page as a replacement for the old infoboxes. All the colors except for finalist and evicted were carried over from the old infobox. Evicted was changed from the light red to a shade of red similar to the voting history/nomination tables because it was already used in {{eliminated}}. I was WP:BOLD and changed the color for finalist from the brighter shade of yellow to the pale yellow for accessibility reasons. This way the bright yellow is exclusive to immune/exempt while the pale yellow is exclusive to finalist similar to how one shade of green is used for Head of Household (or similar power like Power Housemate) while another is used for Winner. I should have clearly explained why the color for finalist was changed on the project talk page but I forgot and no one opposed it at the time. The dark blue color used for the "Second Chance Winner" in Big Brother (UK series 18) came from {{won}} as it an alternate example color for that template and wasn't used in any Big Brother articles.

I like that idea however I'm unsure how it would work for Housemates that were evicted then re-entered the House like the multiple American Housemates or Nikki from Big Brother (UK series 7). The only way I can think of it working would be adopting a similar table layout that Survivor uses (see Survivor: South Pacific). Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 16:33, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I see, I only brought up the finalists colour because it seems almost out of place though that's just my opinion I understand that it probably made more sense not to have it the same as immune. And just looked at the Survivor page you referred to, looks unbelievably complicated. Yeah I agree I'm not sure how we'd be able to make the returning housemates make sense and readable. ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

@ThisIsDanny: here is an alternate way it could look by doing the "nth Evicted" while retaining the general format used for Big Brother articles. There is a UK example and a USA example which would cover most bases. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 03:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)