Talk:Big Hit Music/Archive 1

Archive 1

Text attribution

An attribution template should be added to account for the bulk of text copied over from the original Big Hit Ent (now Hybe Corp) article to this one per WP:COPYWITHIN. No attribution was given in Iamluke16's edit summary on March 30, 2021 (see WP:SPLIT) so the template is necessary. I think Template:Copied is the one, but please read the linked pages to ensure the appropriate template is used. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 08:10, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Not sure if this {{Copied|from=Hybe Corporation|from_oldid=1015192128|to=Big Hit Music|to_diff=1015190782}} is correct? Ignore the error of HYPE (at that time I keep forgotting the correct name is BE instead of PE). You can paste the code in edit mode to see if it is correct. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: do we know for certain that's (from_old) the exact revision he copied from? It could have been one of the versions just before that, which was partly why I tagged him, because he'd know the exact rev id to use in the template. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Upon further comparison, this is the likely revision that was copied from minus the 2nd paragraph of lead section and 2021–present: Rebranded to Big Hit Music section which is written by him. @Iamluke16: can you verify if this is the correct revision and also confirm if the 2nd paragraph of lead section and 2021–present: Rebranded to Big Hit Music section is not copied by written by yourself? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: once he confirms the correct revision the template will be good to go, since 'to_diff' is fine. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Should we request for semi-protection?

Hybe Corporation article was previously granted indefinite semi-protection when named as Big Hit Entertainment, should we also request for indefinite semi-protected for this article since 85% of the content was moved over from Hybe Corporation article which was the original reason why it was protected. I noticed there has been around 3-4 times of vandalism occuring by IP and newly registered user. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I think that semi-protected status for this article can be applied as this is a highly used / popular article, I think it should be protected just like its parent article. CrystallineLeMonde (talk) 07:51, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@CrystallineLeMonde: Same thoughts here, but not sure if it will get rejected if I requested via WP:RPP hence I would like some consensus first just in case. Because technically, this article is considered a WP:SPLIT from Hybe Corporation even though there isn't really a proposal discussion before the split happened. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Bighit is one word and not 2 different words

As seen on their website, YouTube, Spotify and other media even Japanese Wikipedia https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIGHIT_MUSIC , bighit is one word please change it everywhere.Rupturestriker (talk) 07:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:MOSTM, English Wikipedia follows standard English conventions already in use. Various news articles use "Big Hit" in two words including ibighit.com in the title bar and copyright line. So the one word stylization is not correct to use. Evaders99 (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Producers

Some of the producers added to the page make no sense. Just because they have worked before with big hit artist does not mean they are employed by them. Many of the new people added do not work for big hit. They do not have studios with big hit. It makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.26.142 (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Date of establishment

The page states that the company was founded on February 1, 2005 as Big Hit Entertainment and on March 31, 2021 as Big Hit Music, but shouldn't the date just be July 1st? Hybe 2021 Semi-Annual Report states, at Point XI.4 (per Google Translate):

(3) Split of Big Hit Music Co., Ltd.
On July 01, 2021, our company established a subsidiary company, Big Hit Music, through a physical spin-off of Hybe's label business. This division falls under the simple/physical division method as stipulated in Articles 530-2 through 530-12 of the Commercial Act.

There's also a Division Completion Report dated July 2nd, after the split, and from what I understand Big Hit Entertainment became Hybe and then split part of its assets to establish Big Hit Music. --Chiya^ko92 13:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

@Chiyako92 You are right, the split became legal from July 1, 2021. Here is the initial announcement for reference which per the document stated the same date:

(2) The split date is July 1, 2021 (00:00). However, the date of division may be changed by the resolution of the board of directors of the company to be divided.

It should be change however I'm not certain which takes precedent, the rebranding which happens on March 31, 2021, or the legal effectively name change. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2021

You write that they present bts and txt but they also present anhypen 2A0D:6FC7:323:DDCB:7CEE:660A:66C1:203A (talk) 16:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Label name

According to Hybe's website the name of the label is "Bighit Music" (in all caps) and not "Big Hit Music" https://hybecorp.com/eng/company/business. Also the infobox need to change from company to label as specified on their website "BIGHIT MUSIC is an industry-leading music label that continues to pioneer new paths driven by a strong belief in music and ceaseless support from fans."Rupturestriker (talk) 05:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Not done - Wikipedia does not use such stylizations MOS:TMRULES nor such puffery of text Evaders99 (talk) 21:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Evaders99 I am not talking about stylizations, what I wanted to say was Big Hit is a single word, the name of the article should be changed from "Big Hit Music" to "Bighit Music".Rupturestriker (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rupturestriker If you want to change article name, then initiate Requested move discussion instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Former producer

Adora is no longer with Bighit as she's now pursuing a solo career and has signed with a label. So does she need to be entirely removed from the section or should it remain 52-whalien (talk) 01:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@52-whalien: Naver already shows some articles confirming it so I guess it's official. We could remove her or add another section for former producers and append (2016-2021) to her name. Personally I would just remove her. - Ïvana (talk) 03:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Producers

@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: Hi. I saw you removed Jhope from the producers list, arguing that you can't find anything stating that he produces for BH, as he only produces for BTS. But the same can be said for the rest of BTS rapline. RM's ref only mentions how he produced various songs on all of BTS' albums. Same with Yoongi's ref. Neither of them has ever produced anything for any other artist under BH or Hybe, apart from BTS and their personal mixtapes/projects. So I don't see the logic in excluding Jhope when he is in the same situation. There are plenty of reliable sources calling him a producer and being under BH. Like Rolling Stone. - Ïvana (talk) 02:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ïvana you can check both RM and Suga's music credits page to find info on that. Suga is quite known to produce for other people. The info is there if you look on the pages. Whereas, it is not for J-Hope. No mention of him being a BH produce, nor any production credits outside bts. Even lyricwise, I think the only thing was the predebut song animal with jokwon. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 03:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Suga's producing work for BH artists is only exclusive to BTS. Any other producing he has done carries no weight as those artists aren't affiliated with BH. It's exactly as Ivana has said. Any past releases they've worked on for BH artists belong to people that have long departed from the company. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 04:07, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: The sources cited don't support them being producers for BH if that excludes only working for BTS (and their mixtapes) which was your reasoning for removing Jhope from the list. RM worked on one TXT song but he didn't produce it. He worked on a few Glam songs but KOMCA doesn't lists producers, only composers, so I don't know if he was one. Same for 2am and JASRAC. And, yes, Suga is known for being a producer, but not for other BH artists, current or former ones. If anything he is the only person that has plenty of producing credits (or credits at all) outside of the group, but as Btspurplegalaxy said, that's irrelevant if we're only talking about BH artists. - Ïvana (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ïvana: You did not read the article then. Both stated producers in BH. I did not use RM's KOMKA outside of BTS for cites as proof of him producing, so not sure why KOMCA was mentioned. I merely mentioned his prior releases have shown he produces outside BTS. If both of you disagree with having RM as a producer feel free to remove it. But since he had produced out of BTS and there was an article calling him a BH producer I left him there. I will admit he is more known for lyrics outside BTS more than producing. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 16:57, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm looking at the source for RM and I highly doubt Anime Internet can be used as a source as it doesn't seem reliable. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

RM's article states he is a "record producer under Big Hit Entertainment". Then it goes to say "RM made his debut with BTS and has since produced various songs on all of BTS' albums." No mention of him producing for any other artist and I brought up KOMCA and JASRAC because, checking his writing credits, those are the sources for 2am and Glam. None of these list producers, that was my point. Has he ever produced anything outside of BTS and his mixtapes? Suga's article says "He originally joined Big Hit as a producer" and then "BTS songs produced by Suga include" and goes to list a few. It says they're producers and they're under Big Hit. That's all. Which is the same as Jhope's RS interview mentioning he is a producer and his label is BH. I simply don't understand the logic in including them and not Jhope. If your point is that they need to produce for other BH artists, none of rapline qualifies. If it is for other artists outside of BH, then only Suga should be included. Otherwise all of them should be there. I don't see how them only producing for their own group and their projects inside of the company is not enough to include them, when they have a lot of producing credits; it is not a one time thing. - Ïvana (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Should there even be a producer section? Hissnoise and Frants were even removed though they are BH producers but because there isn't a source to support it it couldn't remain. Heck I don't even think the Actor section should be there. V had one role and has never acted again. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy: I don't think it's wrong to mention producers. I checked other label articles and it's a common practice which is why this section was modeled this way. I understand why some producers are not included even if it's a common knowledge among fans that they are in house producers, because the average reader wouldn't know. I do think the actor subsection is questionable, now that you mention it. V had one role years ago; that to me seems like a random ocurrence and not really his profession or what he's known for. Didn't Yeonjun have a cameo in a kdrama not long ago? If one role is enough then he should be included as well. But anyways, I don't see where the requirement of producing for other BH artists to be considered a BH producer came from. That's my biggest issue. I don't know anything about other kpop artists to draw a comparison, but I've seen some listed as producers and I assume that more often than not their work is limited to their respective groups. - Ïvana (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2021 (UTC)