Talk:Bill Drummond

Bill's Art

I think this article could be spruced up by the addition of some of his art works, and a summary of the "Jobs" at the Penkiln Burn website. Beyond that, we need (and have the makings of) a commentary on his pre-KLF music career, and some summary paragraphs on The KLF and the K Foundation with links to the main articles. The Man now has an article and hopefully Bad Wisdom and 45 will follow. --kingboyk 07:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyone here other than me? If so, what should we do with the art section? Is a list a good idea? Or should we have a short summary piece and direct readers to the Penkiln Burn website? Or, a short piece with a supporting list as a seperate article? --kingboyk 17:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a list of jobs in necessary since there is a good list of jobs on the Penkiln Burn website, but an analytical summary describing the jobs highlighting any notable ones would be ideal, and if it grows too long then a new page could be spawned off. Drstuey 11:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Scottish football song

I found a nice article by Bill about his being approached to write a World Cup song for Scotland, and about how the other great football songs of our time were written by people who'd crossed his path (in the case of Ian Broudie and Keith Allen, he met them both for the first time on the same day in 1976 when working on the Illminatus play). The article is called "A Cure For Nationalism" and it's RAR file I sent to Vinoir and Dr Stuey. Anyone else who has access to ProQuest can read it here: http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?did=72527710&sid=2&Fmt=3&clientId=60297&RQT=309&VName=PQD

The reason for writing is that I don't think the article is any fit state to take this info just yet. Hence, let's save this one for later (if we want to use it at all). --kingboyk 14:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Somebody's added the football story, and the only reference is The Sun, so if the content is to stay we need that reference now. Fortunately, the article in question got added to the Library of Mu so I will reference it now. It's a cracking read and I can't help but feel that Bill should have made the record :/ --kingboyk (talk) 01:08, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Missing links

Please editors, other wikipedians would enjoy if links were reliable. i.e. for reference no. 18 link does not work, page has moved most likely but maintenance is needed and the claim is rendered unverifiable 203.164.56.55 18:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Gordon Bennett mate, you think I have control over nme.com?! We can only hope the page gets archived to www.archive.org at some point... other than wait for that, what can I do? --kingboyk 18:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

sorry mate, also you seem to be the authority on Bill. Do you think you should include a mention of his soup making antics in the main article? [1].It sounds like tripe, absolute rubbish but from what I have read would not suprise me. 203.164.56.55 18:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

lol, tripe soup perhaps? :) It'll probably get a mention, or if you want to work a mention in yourself (referencing that news article) please go ahead. As mentioned above, I haven't got round to detailing Bill's art projects yet. (I'm currently working mainly on The K Foundation burn a million quid and K Foundation art award). --kingboyk 18:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

IP friend, it seems that in the intervening years, somebody has added the soup project, but without a reference. So, 14 years later, I am going to cite the Guardian article you linked to! --kingboyk (talk) 00:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

New information

Found a brilliant 2000 interview by Andrew Smith in The Observer, which I do not see cited in any of your articles. Very introspective. It has the elusive early life details, as well as a couple of things that are even more insane than what I've read here thus far. (Has anything been said of what he originally planned to throw into the audience instead of the sheep at the Brit Awards?) –Unint 04:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I restored this - not sure why you thought it invalid - because I wanted to answer the question regarding the sheep alternative. Of course, the story is that he wanted to saw the legs off an elephant (!). We mention this in The KLF but only indirectly, and reading it yesterday I wasn't very happy with the wording. A casual reader (who of course is our target audience) could very easily come away with the impression that it was the bloke from Chumbawamba's idea... Needs to be fixed I think.

Was it this that you allude to or did he have some other freakish idea? (Other than sawing off his own arm, which we also know about... but since it didn't happen I'm not sure it's worth much). --kingboyk 12:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought the notion that he would consider sawing off his own hand was very revelatory. Even compared to burning a million pounds, I think that's on a whole different level.

Also, I wiped that bit because, well, you already link to the article that I believed to be new information. However, the author credit seems to be new; I don't know how I would add that to the citation when the information's not actually present, though.

Which brings me to another consideration: would it help to add page numbers to all the articles cited from the Library of Mu? Or would it be a logistics nightmare since then the page numbers wouldn't actually be present in the actual sources cited? –Unint 20:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have page numbers, by all means add them. It's the newspapers we're citing, the Library of Mu links are just a courtesy really. --kingboyk 21:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC) PS If you're doing all this work you ought to sign onto the project :)

@Unint: If you're still around, there's now 2 credible (but incredible) sources referenced in the BRITs section about what Bill was reportedly planning to throw into the audience once the sheep plan was scuppered (his hand). I agree with you the BRITs story and related events are far more interesting than having a little fire on Jura :)

Am I to take it the elephant story is nonsense? --kingboyk (talk) 07:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

The Foundry

Can I just add that The Foundry is not so much an arts centre as a bar, although it serves as both. Gimpo runs the bar under his real name, Alan Goodrick, and he, Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty are directors of The Foundry Ltd (have to look this up again). The building itself was previously a branch of Barclay's Bank but when Drummond and Cauty bought the place it had been squatted by a group of Russian sculptors who specialised in ironwork, hence the name. Sfgreenwood 14:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. Do you have any sources for this info? Feel free to change "arts centre" to "bar and arts centre" or to whatever description is most apt. --kingboyk (talk) 13:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any such company on Bill's record at Companies House. Penkiln Burn is there, as is K2 Plant Hire, and I was surprised to see that Zoo is still active. There's an "ALIMENTATION LIMITED", but Cauty is not listed as having been a director of that company. I'm not convinced and have removed the KLF tag from the Foundry article for now.--kingboyk (talk) 07:10, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Radio Five Live Interview re the 17 Interview Date 07-08-2008

I heard an radio interview with Bill Drummond and Colin Paterson, in the Interview he claimed the following.

1. He didn't regret burning the Million Pound
2. He admitted that he planned to cut off his hand at the Brit Awards performance and throw it into the Audience, but was talked out of it, this is the performance when he came on stage with a machine gun
3. He admitted that the Post Millennium concerts were a mistake.
4. That he regretted turning down the opportunity to perform Scotlands world cup song for 1998 which was performed by Del Amitri, but admitted if he was asked again he wouldn't come out of musical retirement to do it.

The Interview was aired 07-08-2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.215.64 (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, my ears perked up there for a minute as I read Alex Paterson. I thought we might finally get to the bottom of how much involvement Alex had, if any, in the KLF's ambient house recordings! --kingboyk (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The Quietus link deleted

An external link to an interview in The Quietus has been deleted. What's wrong with it? I need to know because I've cited it in another article. Totnesmartin (talk) 21:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

@Sophie means wisdom: I appreciate this is a very old message, but it troubled me as I've been finding much in the way of excellent Drummond-related material in The Quietus recently (and KLF/Cauty-related material too) so would share your concerns if there is a 'problem' with this domain. What made it seem even odder is that the publication has a wiki article and from what I can tell is reputable.

It would appear that edits adding a link to the domain were reverted by XLinkBot. The domain is (still!) on the list User:XLinkBot/RevertList due to a spam report involving a couple of IPs back in 2008.

I have asked for the entry to be removed (permalink). Note that either way it should no longer affect you as an established user, and because links to the Quietus should generally be inside a reference and not "External links" - as they are a source and not an authority; the bot reportedly does not revert established editors nor the addition of links as references). --kingboyk (talk) 00:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Removed from blacklist --kingboyk (talk) 01:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

So how is it....

...that as minutely and massively detailed as most all KLF-related pages are, there is zero mention of the Kalevala records on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.120.59 (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons you might want to). --kingboyk (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Missing project - "Forty Minute interviews"

There are sources about the project itself; this article is about one of the interviews (as I was researching the interviewee):

• https://thequietus.com/articles/26896-bill-drummond-mick-houghton-unhalfbricking

--kingboyk (talk) 23:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

"Bill Drummond Stands With A Romanian Gypsy Band"

Potential source: Interesting article about a minor project of Drummond's, plus his feelings (sadness) at the Brexit vote, and some commentary about "Drummond grey":

• https://thequietus.com/articles/20506-bill-drummond-ode-to-joy-brexit

--kingboyk (talk) 04:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Bill Drummond on Wikipedia (highlighting the dangers of the 'circular reference')

Cross-post from WikiProject talk: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_KLF#Bill_Drummond_on_the_subject_of_Wikipedia_(highlighting_the_dangers_of_the_'circular_reference') --kingboyk (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2020 (UTC)