Talk:Billing (performing arts)/Archives/2012

The Empire Strikes Back

The article currently states: "In 1977, George Lucas resigned from the Directors Guild of America after it insisted, against his wishes, that he be credited at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back. (This was after it had allowed the original Star Wars, which had a similar opening sequence, to go unchallenged.)"

However, The Empire Strikes Back hadn't even begun shooting in 1977. It came out in 1980, which is presumably when the billing controversy took place and Lucas resigned from the DGA.

Furthermore, Lucas didn't direct The Empire Strikes Back; Irvin Kershner did. It could be understandable (in terms of wanting to protect the union's prerogatives) if the DGA supported having Lucas's name credited at the beginning for the movie for Star Wars which he did direct, but not for The Empire Strikes Back which he didn't. --Metropolitan90 19:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It was a silly mistake on my part not to have included Kershner's name. I've now corrected it. Chris 42 19:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Another billing term called introducing

When a new super star arrives and is unknown the term "an introducing..." is used see Purple Rain--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 18:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Equal Billing / Side by Side Credits

Does anyone know the correct industry name for the following practice? When a TV show has two co-stars (e.g., Will and Grace or Laverne and Shirley), one actor's name is listed at the top right of the screen, while the other actor's name is listed at the bottom left of the screen during the show's opening credits. What is the proper billing or industry term that refers to this practice? Thanks. (JosephASpadaro 06:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC))

Gilligan's Island

This article is about billing in films, and is so titled. However, there is a section about the TV series, Gilligan's Island. That probably should be removed ... or, somewhere in the article, it should state that "similar to films, billing also applies to television shows". Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC))

"Uncredited"

Would the accompanying article be suitable for someone knowledgeable to add a small subsection on the practice of uncredited appearances (which are listed in IMDb and commented upon in other places), with e.g.:

Is it equivalent to being an Extra (actor) (as the entry in Extra_(actor)#Former_extras

* Clint Eastwood worked as an uncredited extra in a number of movies in the 1950s before becoming a star in the late 60s.

hints)?

Is it equivalent to being eligible for the section Billing_(filmmaking)#Unbilled_appearances, as long as you're a once and future star?

How often (or better yet, typically under what conditions) do actors with credits put uncredited roles on their resumés, or whatever it is that they include in their press packets?

I'm putting Extra (actor) as the link behind the piping "uncredited" [role] at Scott Chisholm (actor) (since Billing_(filmmaking)#Unbilled_appearances, being a list, would be wrong), but i'm not sure abt it.
--Jerzy•t 22:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Billing in television, theatre, etc.

I've started the process of turning this article into Billing (creative arts), expanding beyond films into other performing arts in the same way that Credit (creative arts) covers credits. I haven't made much progress yet but I'll be back. The article needs work even for the film-related stuff that's already there.

I'm inclined to get this article moved to Billing (creative arts) right away, though I'd be fine if we get it in better shape first. 67.101.7.27 (talk) 06:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Unbilled Appearances

For "spoiler"-avoidance purposes, Leonard Nimoy was not listed amongst the acting credits at the start of Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, although he is credited as director. His reappearance towards the end of the film was supposed to be a surprise. His name does appear in the closing credits. WHPratt (talk) 14:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Crew etc

The article's big enough as it stands, but I'd expected to see some reference to the widening scope of billing - I'm sure I've seen the "Accountants to the Catering company" or similar credited. Unclear to me what "muscle" is used to get these in, but there must be story worth telling there. Snori (talk) 21:14, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

"Co-starring"

I didn't see any mention of the fact that the identification "co-starring" is almost invariable used to mean something analogous to secondary star or assistant star or junior star or supporting star. Lots of films give several names as "starring", then some more as "co-starring." Everywhere else, the "co-" prefix suggests a mostly-equal partnership: co-producers, co-screenwriters, co-editors and such. If you have two really big performers at the top of the cast, they should be termed co-stars at the outset. But that isn't done. The article would benefit by noting this and perhaps discussing the evolution of the term. 151.190.0.1 (talk) 14:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)