Talk:Billy Hamilton (baseball, born 1866)
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 | On 29 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Billy Hamilton (1890s outfielder). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Death date
editIt seems like there is a controversy over Hamilton's correct death date. Here are web sites that support December 16:
If there are any sources that support a Dec. 15 death date, then add a citation in an article and we can add a note that there are discrepancies between sources. As of right now, no one has produced a complete citation to support this date of death. Simply saying your claim is supported by "Dictionaries, Encyclopedias, and Facts on File" is not enough. - Mattingly23 17:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Semi-protect
editMight it be worth putting in a request for page protection? It might at least help reduce the unsourced and specious changes being made. Just a thought... --Ebyabe 16:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- You would need to semi-protect every page that User:Ron liebman and his various sockpuppets have touched. I recommend you get in touch with the admin User:Wknight94 and see what he thinks, as he has been actively involved in this situation. Wahkeenah 16:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. Conversation has been initiated. :) -Ebyabe 16:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
"Teaser" fact
editQuote from article: "he is one of only three players to average more than one run per game played" It seems to me it might be desirable to have who the other two were? As a Scandinavian reading up on baseball, it makes me curious to know who they might be, and while I'm sure it's not too hard to google, it would be neat to have it close. OMHalck (talk) 22:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
912 or 937?
editHow many career steals? The baseball hall of fame says 937, but most sites say 912. Timneu22 (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Records still held today
editWhy is this dubious? It lists them on this page. I suppose you could specify that most are just Phillies records, but the runs scored record in 1894 is an MLB record. Check baseball-reference.com; it's all there. Richjenkins (talk) 01:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Because the number is in dispute. I show records saying 198, and records (and MVP Baseball 2005 video game) saying 192. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hamilbi01.shtml shows 198, yet http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Billy_Hamilton and http://archive.alexreisner.com/baseball/stats/player?p=hamilbi01&y=1894 both show the record being 192. The video game i mention also states that Billy Hamilton set the record at 192 runs. VycDarkshadow (talk) 05:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Was Hamilton ever recognized as All-Time SB leader?
editLou Brock was described in 1977 as having broken Ty Cobb's stolen base record. Cobb was recognized as the leader at that time with 892 steals. (Baseball Reference says 897 now.) Was there some reason Hamilton was not recognized as the stolen base leader in 1977? Interestingly, Brock retired with 938, one higher than the highest estimate of Hamilton's total. Did anyone even know about Hamilton? Nowadays, Cobb is in 4th place and not 3rd place, with no explanation that I know of. Tidewater 2014 (talk) 16:38, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- I would think likely not recognized in the media at the time since statistics weren't as well kept or published as today. Flibirigit (talk) 18:21, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Requested move 29 August 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Billy Hamilton (baseball, born 1866) → Billy Hamilton (1890s outfielder)
- Billy Hamilton (baseball, born 1990) → Billy Hamilton (2010s outfielder)
– Per WP:NCBASE#Disambiguation. Disambiguation by decade (bullet point 4) is preferred ahead of year of birth (bullet point 5, the last resort.) 162 etc. (talk) 02:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per usual disambiguation standards for baseball players.-- Yankees10 03:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- The usual disambiguation standard is WP:NCBASE, which I specifically linked in the nomination. What is your argument? 162 etc. (talk) 03:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Yankees10. It's a terrible disambiguation system, not used to disambiguate any other people. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Both players played in multiple decades and one of them is still active.Spanneraol (talk) 15:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note that the guideline states "predominantly played in a single decade". It's quite unlikely that a player's career fits entirely into one decade. 162 etc. (talk) 01:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't really think this is a great system of disambiguation either. It may be worth fixing the guideline rather than arguing against its implementation. Dekimasuよ! 08:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)