Talk:Biscuit (bread)

Speedy tag

See this discussion on the Wiki Food & Drink talkpage re language confusion. I am just putting in place the discussion there held, creating a series of suitable sub articles to stop the grand language confusion. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed merge

I propose that this recently created article be merged into Biscuit, the main article on the topic. Discussion is now taking place at Talk:Biscuit#Merge of Biscuit (bread) in accord with the suggestions at WP:MERGE. DES ^(talk) 16:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Merger

We already have Biscuit which covers this. Merge. Dougweller (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with the merge. Yes, it is the same word but totally different meaning. This would be like merging an article Boot (meaning trunk of a car) into an article regarding boot (the footwear). 173.255.161.111 (talk) 15:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)Matt

This makes no sense

Earlier European settlers in the United States brought with them a simpler and easy style of cooking, most often based on ground wheat and warmed with gravy. After the first pigs that were carried from England to Jamestown, Virginia in 1608, they became popular as a home grown edible animal. This seems to imply that pigs are biscuits which, article merge or not, is nonsensical. Some vandalism here, perhaps? Tonywalton ^Talk 23:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Canada?

I've never heard of this kind of baked good being called a "biscuit" in Canada. I had no idea the term could even apply to that. Just looking at it, I would have called it an English muffin or a crumpet or something. But a biscuit is something thin and more brittle, and typically served as a treat or with tea. Where is the source for this being a Canadian term? If so, it is definitely a regionalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.186.197 (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm always puzzled when American editors, and some Canadian editors, claim that Canadian English is more like American English than British English. Apart from the motor industry, where Canada usually uses American terminology, I've always thought that most Canadian spelling and terminology was remarkably similar to British (this opinion being based solely on having a cousin in Canada). Perhaps there are significant regional variations, with border areas being more like America. Can any Canadian editors clarify? Dbfirs 17:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

There's no need to asked individual editors about their personal experiences; just look at a few sources like Kate Aitken's Canadian Cook Book (ISBN 1552855910), which on page 14 gives several "biscuit" recipes that bear no resemblance to a thin and brittle treat. Another (ISBN 1770500987) gives "tea biscuits" as a synonym for scones. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a regionalism—it's something of a regional food in the US, too—although I've no idea what those region(s) would be. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference. Kate was clearly Canadian, so we have proof that American-style biscuits were made in some parts of Canada. Dbfirs 06:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

There's no doubt about that.[1], [2], [3], official Parks Canada site, [4]. I didn't know this myself. These are not at all like the "rich tea biscuits" which was an English sweet biscuit. Dougweller (talk) 08:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Can biscuits?

Shocked we don't have a paragraph on that. I should take a photo and rectify that, as I have some Grands in the frig for breakfast tomorrow. Canned biscuits are a huge portion of the market. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:00, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• Already added the photo. Had to run and do it, the omission was just driving me nuts. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

  @Dennis Brown, what happened to your photo? I think that it'd be helpful to have a picture of the raw canned dough (but don't buy some just to get the picture). WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

In their infinite wisdom, the admin at Commons decided that the image of the can biscuits was protected by copyright and they deleted it. We have a million nudes on Commons, but we can't have a single photo of a can of biscuits, it appears. I don't have any can biscuits in the fridge at the moment, so can't take a photo of the raw dough. I had forgotten about that, my comment was almost 7 years ago. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 08:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I generally assume that the Commons folks know what they're doing about copyright. They usually know more than I do, anyway. If you took a picture of the packaging, then c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#Product packaging would apply. But the food itself should be safe for copyright purposes. (No rush or pressure from me.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

What frustrates me about Wikipedia and Commons is that the rules around here are much harsher than US Copyright law, which I'm fairly familiar with. As an admin, I just avoid copyright issues when it comes to mopping up. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

RE: "Later History"

The "Southern advantage" is bunk; the article should be edited to, at least, reflect a difference of opinion. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:91D2:D1AF:D6EA:6AA7 (talk) 08:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Category merge discussion underway

A merge discussion related to this topic is underway at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 7 § Category:Biscuits (British style). Ibadibam (talk) 06:24, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

We should clean up some silly pieces of the article.

There are several silly bits in this article, including one I removed where someone decided to say you can cook a biscuit on a stick, and then linked a recipe. A singular recipe existing doesn't mean that people go out of their way to cook it. "Campfire biscuits" are rarely, if ever, prepared. Much less so by skewering biscuit dough onto a stick and cooking it over an open flame. Wrapping biscuit dough around a dowel is something else entirely, and probably not worthy of it's own section or page on Wikipedia. Monstarules (talk) 21:38, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

"Southern" biscuits.

In the "Serving" section of the article, it states "Biscuits may be eaten for breakfast. They are meant to be served warm with a choice of spread of butter,..." OK, true enough, but for clarification, I added "(as a side)" Which is true, unless you want to argue what is a side.

Then the same article and section states "...They are meant to be served warm with a choice of spread of butter, honey, cane syrup, or some fruit-based jam;..." OK, again true enough, but again for clarification I added "(as a dessert)" Which is true unless you want to argue what a dessert is.

The same article continues to say "otherwise, they are cut in half and become the Southern version of the breakfast sandwich,..." Close, but these two serving options are not the ONLY serving options as the text implies, I would alter the statement to "...they may also be cut in half and become..." As there are other serving options.

The article continues "...the breakfast sandwich, in which any combination of Country ham, tomato, scrambled eggs, bacon, or sausage is put in the biscuits halves as a filling. This is a mess. Country ham is not the most popular or the most frequent filling or topping. I would re-write this as "...any combination of sausage, bacon, country ham, scrambled or fried eggs and cheese is put in..."

The article then continues with "...For dinner, they are a popular accompaniment to fried chicken,..." OK, true enough, then it continues with "...nearly all types of Southern barbecue,..." I have been studying barbecue and making my own sauce for 51 years. I have eaten barbecue in six different southern states, never have I ever seen a biscuit on a southern barbecue menu. Next, it continues with "...and several Lowcountry dishes." Well, I admit that I am no expert on Lowcountry dishes, but I do feel this is at best an overstatement. However, I decided to explore the other references/footnotes that are supposed to support the text. I saw nothing with biscuits and barbecue or tomatoes except on Callie's Hot Little Biscuit site where there are lots of esoteric "creations" which should not qualify for inclusion in a general article as the one I am discussing.

The article next makes, what is in my opinion, the most egregious statement of all when saying "...They also often figure in to the Southern version of Thanksgiving dinner as well." This statement is supposedly supported by a reference/footnote linking to an article on "Spruce Eats" website. I checked all the people listed as being part of the site team, not much information on their bona fides, but none of them appeared to be any version of southern to me.

I was born and raised 27 years in North Carolina, my family goes back to the 1700s in NC, I lived 6 years in Georgia, have been in South Carolina now for almost 30 years and have never seen tomato on a biscuit, especially a breakfast biscuit. I have never seen an biscuit on a barbecue menu. And I have never seen or heard of biscuits for thanksgiving. Of course, my experience is exactly N = 1 and I understand this.

I do realize that this article refers to a biscuit as understood in the United States and Canada. However, when the article states "...the Southern version...", I become much more interested.

Just as any ethnic group wishes to be clearly understood(Native Americans would strenuously object to a modern depiction of them using a phrase such as "Uggh, how, pale-face" This misrepresentation would be derogatory.

Similarly, I wish to clarify the "Southern" version of this article. I did so yesterday(made some edits)on Saturday, 10/21/2023.

Today, Sunday 10/22/2023, my edits have been reversed.

I would like to hear some discussion or defense of the statements that I disagree with and the reversal of my edits.

Mitch Darrell Mitchell Davis 501 South Harper Street Laurens, SC 29360 Cell: 864-871-3306 71.12.22.19 (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)