Talk:Bishops in the Catholic Church

Licit vs. Valid

> In the Catholic Church a bishop can validly ordain a priest as a bishop provided that permission of the Holy See has been granted. <

I heard this is actually false. The priest will visit Rome where the Pope himself in person will ordain him into a bishop. If this is not possible (due to distant travel or hostile political situation in the priest's land), the Pope can grant permission to THREE bishops to ordain the priest into a bishop but all three have to be present at the event to be valid.

The permission of the Holy See is for licet celebration, not validity. Also, for licit celebration, 3 bishops are required. For validity, only one bishop is required. It is neither required for validity or licity that the pope be present.DaveTroy 09:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

your mileage may vary depending on rite. This is something of a moving target as Orientalium Ecclesiarum is implemented over time by the various rites. The current state of affairs in the Ruthenian Church is not the same as the Ukrainian. TMLutas 18:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Eastern/Western pic

I'd suggest a picture of an eastern bishop be added to the page in order to show the diversity of appearance. The dominance of the latin rite often leads some to think that latin habits are normative. Nothing wrong with the latin forms and the article is pretty well balanced in word. Visually, it's more latin centered. TMLutas 18:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to add an appropriate photo. Majoreditor 03:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Etymology Question

How is the word Bishop in english derived from the greek Episkopos? I mean is Bishop a word that was arround when they traslated from greek (then an additional explanation for the etymology might be needed) or is it actually a derivation from Episkopos? Many thanks, Pablo2garcia (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Major Re-write

I'm going to undertake a major rewrite of this article. Most of the content is copied verbatim from bishop, and that's hardly necessary. This page should focus on the functions of bishops within the Catholic Church. Here are some potential sections for the article:

• Hisorical overview - of the office of Bishop (based primarily on the Catholic Encyclopedia, but edited into a short section)
• Roles of Bishops - canonical and sacramental responsibilities. brief discussion of diocesean vs. curial functions.
• Appointment process
• Episcopal ordination
• Pontifical dress

I'm thinking we should just focus on the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church. Trying to add all the particulars for all the sui juris churches just seems to be far too broad. I'm going to start making some edits today to removed duplicated content. If anybody has any questions or suggestions, please put them here. Dgf32 (talk) 22:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The project is now underway. I've removed the material copied verbatim from bishop. Dgf32 (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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Bishop-priest relationship

Much has been said regarding the bishop-priest relationship, that is to say the interactions between a senior pastor and his clergymen. This probably deserves to be included somewhere in this entry. [1][2][3] ADM (talk) 05:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

How, and How Much, are Bishops Paid?

It would be instructive to know who pays bishops, priests, etc. and how much they get and who decides on raises and where the money comes from. And what about other remuneration such as free housing? NStahl (talk) 01:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Pectoral cross outside of chasuble

The image of a bishop on this page has a caption that reads: "A Latin-Rite Catholic bishop wearing the pontifical vestments and carrying a crosier, though the pectoral cross should be beneath the chasuble and stole, not over them." While the Ceremonial of Bishops does in fact state that the pectoral cross should be underneath the chasuble (61), the CDW did actually permit the pectoral cross to be worn over the chasuble in order for the bishop to be differentiated from other concelebrants (Notitiae). So I'm removing the mention in the caption. — AJDS ^talk 17:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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Missing types of bishops

Two forms of bishops that should be mentioned in this article are non-metropolitan archbishops (by virtue of holding a non-metropolitan archiepiscopal see) and archbishops ad personam. When I get a chance, I will try to add these. Ergo Sum 16:53, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Not a complete sentence!

I find

Bishop-prelate A bishop who is consecrated as such, but holds an office that as such does not require episcopal rank (so the incumbent will not be made a titular bishop), just that of Prelate, notably as Territorial prelate.

This is not a complete sentence, although I am not quite sure what the complete sentence should be. Carlm0404 (talk) 17:53, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 14 May 2020

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Bishop in the Catholic Church → Bishops in the Catholic Church – Per WP:PLURAL Elizium23 (talk) 01:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Srnec (talk) 02:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Sharper {talk} 19:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Could I ask for what specific part of the policy would call for a plural here? All other articles about all other hierarchs are singular, from patriarch to grand master to provincial superior to Minister General, not to mention Bishop (Methodism) and Bishop in the Eastern Orthodox Church. -- choster (talk) 15:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support. +1 nom. Also many types of bishops.--Hippeus (talk) 13:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose This article is not about bishops, the individual people, but about the concept and duties of a bishop, and exactly what point of WP:PLURAL would suggest that this article should be pluralized is not clear. Essentially all articles about offices and positions are singular, from grand vizier to poet laureate to Kentucky Colonel. If the desire is to simplify, parenthetical disambiguation as Bishop (Catholic Church) would be preferable, compare High Court judge (England and Wales) or Governor (United States). -- choster (talk) 13:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Better title than the current. But would prefer Bishop (Catholic Church), since we generally prefer the singular. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support - groups of people have always been an exception written into WP:PLURAL Red Slash 17:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Peoples, ethnic groups, etc, yes, but not positions. We don't have articles titled Generals or Priests or Bakers. Parenthetical disambiguation is the norm for these if necessary. See Category:Episcopacy in the Catholic Church. Which other position is in the plural? -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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