Talk:Black Bottom (dance)

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PlainJane 10:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC) Much of the material in this article is unsubstantiated. Black bottom apparently has its roots in the rural slave communities of southern america in the 19th century. One suggestion is that black bottom was originally a dance immitating a cow or person stuck in mud and wiping/flicking off mud. There are, consequently, moves which look like the dancer is flicking mud off their feet.

While it was popularised in the 1920s, particularly in white communities, the dance has a longer history than this article suggests. In some dances newsreel from those times this dance emerged from the movement from the poor of taking his legs from the mud in the streets, known as the stunt, one of the steps of the black bottom.

It's also worth mentioning that this dance is popular again in contemporary swing dance communities.

One of the major problems with documenting these sorts of African American vernacular dances is that they function in much the same was as oral histories and so don't have much 'concrete' evidence.

A useful resource which may actually be inaccurate: Malone, Jacqui. Steppin' on the Blues: The Visible Rhythms of African American Dance. Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 1996.

PlainJane 10:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC) deleted external link as it's an unreliable source

How do you do it?

This article actually has absolutely no indication of how this dance is done. Somone who knows how to do it should add one! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dark Green (talk • contribs) 14:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Historic Footage Does Exist

I have seen online historic film footage of how Black Bottom Stomp was done in the U.S. during (what seemed to be) the 1940s or 1950s, possibly earlier (though I think it had audio). I ran across it while looking for video examples of old Lindy Hop moves. If anyone can locate this or similar footage that's public domain, that would be a great addition to the Creative Commons files... and this article could link to it. Deebki 19:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I am looking for a "How To" on this particular dance. The only reference I have found thus far is a scene in "The Thorn Birds" where Father Ralph played by Richard Chamberlain is asked to perform the Black Bottom for guests at a party. The scene is 1918 Australia, I believe. However, the moves performed are similar to those of the Charleston so I would like to see the real dance from someone who knows. ~Nicole —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.165.224 (talk) 20:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) 2pou (talk) 22:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Black Bottom (dance) → Black bottom (dance) – MOS:GENRECAPS ~TPW 14:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). --Ahecht (talk) 15:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Although I'm often a supporter of downcasing, in this case the ngrams do rather suggest that Black Bottom is a proper name in this instance: [1]. So I'd suggest leaving it as is. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This one doesn't really come across as a proper name to me. Dr. Vogel (talk) 19:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - two word dance names are usually capitalized, this isn't a literal bottom In ictu oculi (talk) 12:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I thought they were generally sentence cased, or at least supposed to be. An RM at Talk:Viennese waltz resulted in lowercase in 2018, along with a remark that a lot of sloppiness was evident. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, sentence cased. See MOS:DANCECAPS.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@True Pagan Warrior, would you be ok to do an RM for this? It doesn't look uncontroversial enough to be processed here (although personally I agree with you). Dr. Vogel (talk) 20:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Titles are not decided by personal opinions. The evidence suggests it's a proper name.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I take it you're not satisfied that MOS:GENRECAPS fits. I also see that in MOS:ACTCAPS it is written that "Sports, games, and other activities that are not trademarked or copyrighted are not capitalized (except where one contains a proper name or acronym, or begins a sentence). This includes groups of sports or games (winter sports, carom billiards, trick-taking card games), traditional sports including modern ones (field hockey, triathlon, BASE jumping), traditional games (Texas hold 'em poker, chess, spin-the-bottle), folk and social dances and dance styles (kołomyjka, Viennese waltz, line dancing), and other such group and solo activities (flash mob, hackathon, birthday party, workout, biology class, political rally, binge-watch, speed dating, tweeting)."

Do you have any evidence that "black bottom" is trademarked or copyrighted, from a reliable source? ~TPW 13:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If you'd remind me about the technical steps, I surely shall. ~TPW 13:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I think the issue here is there is potential for someone to object (In ictu oculi has already opposed), even if we agree, as per WP:PCM. You can start an RM by pressing the "discuss" link on here. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@True Pagan Warrior:, I moved this discussion into a Requested Move on your behalf. --Ahecht (TALK
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• Oppose. The name refers to Black Bottom, Detroit, so clearly requires capitalization. Station1 (talk) 16:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Station1; this is sourceably named after a specific place (proper name).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Station1. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

To add to article

Basic information to add to this article: why exactly Jelly Roll Morton named his song for a neighborhood of Detroit (when the Wikipedia article about him doesn't mention the city of Detroit at all). 76.190.213.189 (talk) 16:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)