Talk:Black Eagle Silver Certificate

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen talk 12:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Black Eagle Silver Certificate

• ... that between 1899 and 1923 the United State government issued 3,604,239,600 US$1 Black Eagle Silver Certificates (pictured)?

• Source: Source is offline: Bowers, Q. David; Sundman, David M. (2006). 100 Greatest American Currency Notes: The Stories Behind the Most Fascinating Colonial, Confederate, Federal, Obsolete, and Private American Notes. Chicago Illinois: Whitman Publishing. p. 45. ISBN 978-0-7948-2006-0.

• ALT1: ... that there are 13 varieties of the US$1 Black Eagle Silver Certificate' (pictured)? Source: offline source: Chambliss, Carlson R.; Hessler, Gene (2014). The Comprehensive Catalog of U. S. Federal Large-Size Notes, 1861 – 1929. Speckles Press. pp. 92–93. and offline Cruikshank, Moses (March 1, 1986). The Life I've Been Living. Fairbanks: University of Alaska Press. p. 93. ISBN 978-0-912006-23-9.
• ALT2: ... that people called the large-size US$1 Black Eagle Silver Certificates (pictured) "horseblankets"? Source: source
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Kettle
• Comment: I will likely continue to tinker but it is complete

Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 155 past nominations.

Bruxton (talk) 00:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC).

• Hi Bruxton, nice article. I'll take a look at this one. Article was created on 11 September and exceeds minimum length. Many sources are offline but I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing from the online ones. I am not familiar with numismatics sources but didn't spot anything obviously unreliable. I had a few comments you may want to look at before I complete the review - Dumelow (talk) 07:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

• Per WP:DYKCITE "The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear ... Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient". This would need to be addressed for ALT0 and ALT2 to be considered
• "The 1899 series replaced the 1896 Educational Series notes which featured history instructing." - I didn't understand this, is the latter part of the sentence missing?
• "the value of the notes is dependent on both condition and who signed the note" - maybe should be "value of the note to modern-day collectors" to make it clear they were all worth $1 at the time.

Thank you for the review @Dumelow:. I think I have fixed those areas of the article. Welcome back, I have missed seeing your contributions. Bruxton (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, good to be back! Completing the review, AGF on offline sources used in the article for the hooks; I didn't notice any overly close paraphrasing from the online sources; image is good quality and properly licensed; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 06:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Bird is the bald eagle not a black eagle?

G'day Bruxton, as you might know this DYK has been moved to the next queue. I have found a couple of minor tweaks to make but on reading, I think there is a problem.

• I'm not sure the bird on the note is a black eagle. Those birds are in Asia, not the US.
• I am thinking that perhaps the note was called Black Eagle because the note itself was black, not that it featured a black eagle. The eagle on the note has a white head (not black coloured like the black eagle).
• I am pretty convinced it is the bald eagle ie the national symbol of the US. On Great Seal of the United States it is called both American eagle and bald eagle.
• Refs 2 and 6 on this Certificate article for example call it the American eagle. A google search for (Silver Certificate "bald" eagle) returns many results.
• At Black Eagle Silver Certificate#Description we have "Smillie also created the engraving of the bald eagle which appears in the center of the note.[10]".
• Combined with the Capitol and the US flag, it would seem to make more sense for the bird to be the symbolic bald eagle.

I so hope I haven't got the wrong end of the stick here. What do you think? JennyOz (talk) 07:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@JennyOz: Thank you for the checks. Even though it is a bald eagle, nobody calls the note a bald eagle note. So while the eagle in the portrait is a bald eagle people consistently refer to the note as a "Black Eagle". I think you are right that we should change the name to bald eagle except when referring to the note which has the common name of "Black Eagle". I made some changes here; maybe you can circle back to check my work? Thanks again. Bruxton (talk) 15:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

That's great Bruxton! Yep the note was called the Black Eagle, I was only concerned about the bird species. I just made a few tiny tweaks, pls undo any you don't agree with. Thanks for the article and for swapping the bird! JennyOz (talk) 23:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Why "black eagle"?

Aside from the obvious, is there a reason it was called a black eagle? Were there eagles in other colors? Did the name arise from the contemporary public or later from numismatists? The article is informative and stimulates curiosity. Humpster (talk) 06:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Humphrey Tribble: Thanks for checking it out. I think these terms like Black Eagle come from collectors, and I think we can add that info to the article if it is known. They only came in the one color. Bruxton (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)