Talk:Black Lotus

Old Votes for deletion

An article for a single card from Magic? Even if it does go for $1000 (which I doubt it does; I thought the bottom had somewhat fallen out of that market). Merge and redirect to Magic: The Gathering, before we get thousands of other pages like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by R. fiend (talk • contribs) 08:00, 29 August 2004 (UTC)

• I came across one like this a little while ago and redirected it. But yes, delete. Dunc_Harris|☺ 10:44, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Black Lotus is the most legendary card in the game, and gets >6000 Google hits. I vote keep this, delete other cards that might show up. --Farside 11:01, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect as the fiend said. Then we can read about this legendary card in its proper context. --Tagishsimon

• Merge: "Black lotus" is no doubt the rarest card because it's a legendary flower for mythical opium. It is also used as some kind of unspecified opium in the Baldurs Gate games. Perhaps make it a disambiguation for the various uses of the word (it's like the lotus flower itself -- used in all sorts of mythologies and fictions). Geogre 13:03, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• I created this stub specifically because I came across its listing [1] on Wikipedia:What's in, what's out. I also checked eBay to confirm the prices- I was suprised, as well. I do agree with R. fiend: we don't want thousands of articles like this. However, due to its noteriety, it seems due its own (non-stub) page. Keep.--Rossumcapek 18:15, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Delete most articles on trading cards, but a few, incl. this one, are notable enough for separate articles. Keep. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 21:20, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC)

• Keep. Black Lotus is an exceptional aspect of Magic: The Gathering culture due to its infamy and value. RMG 00:12, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• • Keep* This is the most valuable and famous element of a cultural phenomenon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.41.142 (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Make sure that other cards aren't added... but an article on the single card the most exlempifies a magic cultural item, and costs so much? Gotta have it. Lyellin 01:23, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
• Reluctant keep, but emphatically not a sanction to include most other Magic cards. -- Jmabel 04:55, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Passes my carefully crafted "that's interesting" test. Terrapin 15:53, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep but only because of the card's notoriety. No precedent should be set here. Spatch 18:36, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. If this is deleted, then mark every one in here as VfD, since it's pretty much the same. The Black Lotus is the "mythical card", even I as a non-Magic player know of it's existance and value. WolfenSilva 19:08, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Personally, I don't have a problem with magic card listings, given the precedent w/ Pokemon. But even if you don't accept that premise, the card still attains notability in its own right. Lacrimosus 22:05, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, I suppose. I want to note how extraordinarily fortunate I feel that I was able to look upon the card through the external link without having to pay anything. Everyking 23:52, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• I did a quick search for "Black Lotus" on eBay and found one that's currently at over $1600 and there have been sixteen bids. Not only is it remarkably expensive for a game card, but people are willing to pay for it. That's encyclopedic. Keep. --[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 22:57, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Absolutely keep, even if there probably aren't any other article-worthy Magic cards. As for Everyking's comment, I actually played a rather convincing fake once. It was fun... -- SS 21:21, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. This is relevant to millions of Magic fans, at least. ··gracefool |☺ 09:51, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. I basically agree with the sentiments above. Since the card has been highly sought-after and out of print for over ten years, it is historically important. The article does need some expansion, though. Neckro 21:19, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Probably the famous cards in the game. Certainly the most valuable. Few if any other Magic Card articles could be justified. Maybe Tolarian Academy... CHL 20:05, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Old comments

This is the search result for Power Nine. I would like to know where this list of cards came from in the first place. Obviously it is not universally accepted that they are the most powerful cards in magic, so the source is important. Dragonlord — Preceding undated comment added 04:03, 30 January 2005‎ (UTC)

No, and the article doesn't (or shouldn't) claim that they're the most powerful cards, but that is their common collective name. I have 1996 InQuests that use the term, and I believe I can find a dated strategy book with Mark Justice, Gary Wise, and others using the term. I believe the term has its roots from before 1995. I'll try to track it down.

Incidentally, I think this article should be moved to "power nine". It would not take much more to add descriptions for the other cards, and much of the article is directed toward that anyway. Cool Hand Luke 06:04, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, so I won't make the change myself, but I was under the impression that Black Lotus was considered the most powerful Magic card ever printed. As such, the section saying that it is solely sought after because of its rarity should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geinsei (talk • contribs) 03:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope I didn't tread on anybody's toes!

Black Lotus definitely deserves full mention with regards to M:TG. I made a page for all of the Power Nine cards and I encourage everybody to add to entries there. The information is more accessable that way. A redirect to the power nine page is here now, but I merged the content here into the Power Nine content since much of it was similar anyway. Ryan Prior 16:48, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Capitalization

I appreciate that this was previously moved per request, and presumably appropriately. At this point, the page is a dab at black lotus, but the only entries seem to be capitalized. So, the proper place for the page would seem to be Black Lotus. If an actual "black lotus" existed, perhaps that fact would inform the page title choice. ENeville (talk) 01:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Conan

The original Conan stories refer to a black lotus as a poisonous plant. I'm wondering if Ron Howard invented the mythology surrounding the flower or recycled it from somewhere else.

He recoiled, recognizing the black lotus, whose juice was death, and whose scent brought
dream-haunted slumber.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.27.117 (talk) 19:41, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Well unknown editor, i primarily just wanted to add the info that there's this plant named black lotus exist in the fantasy world created by Robert E. Howard, not start a debate :)

I had just watched Conan the barbarian(film) and searched for black lotus on wiki & later google and read several of REH's stories and found that there weren't anything about this subject on wikipedia's black lotus disambiguation page prior my edit.

" The Black lotus is a flower found deep in the jungles Khitai. Smelling the black lotus makes a person fall asleep, but not just a regular sleep. The spell of the black lotus makes the sleeper dream very strange dreams. " // http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/blacklotus

" Conan suddenly realized that the air was impregnated with an alien and exotic scent.Something gently brushed his temple. He turned quickly. From a cluster of green, curiously leafed stalks, great black blossoms nodded at him. One of these had touched him. They seemed to beckon him, to arch their pliant stems toward him. They spread and rustled, though no wind blew. "

http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_of_the_Black_Coast_%28REH%29#The_Horror_in_the_Jungle (original REH story)

I wrote it's a (sedative) narcotic plant because it made Conan fell asleep in the above mentioned story and in the film-adaption it's a chewable narcotic from Stygia. I believe a poisonous plant would've killed him not make him fall asleep, could be wrong though.

Regarding the recycle thing, we can only speculate. I do believe though, he might have got the black lotus idea from Tintin, the Blue Lotus(1934–1935) or while reading about the ancient Egyptians/other cultures revering lotus flowers.

--Byzantios (talk) 20:06, 24 June 2012 (UTC)