Talk:Black moon/Archive 1

Archive 1

Lack of references

References for this phrase and its referent? It sounds invented, and for all I know may have been invented by the anonymous wikipedian who made the page. I've never called for a VfD before, but this might be my first. Eric Forste 23:34, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Black moon. The final result was No consensus, so keep. --Deathphoenix 04:08, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but consider the thousands of hit it's getting now in the last days of Sept.2016. It at least should be retained as a corrective to the rubbish the media is spreading... Earrach (talk) 16:44, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

February

By my logic, the first two meanings (lack of either a full or new moon in a month) can only occur in Februray, as the lunar cycle is 29.53 days, and the shortest non-Feburary month is 30 days. Feburary, being 28 days (or 29 in a bissextile year), is the only month that is less than the full cycle, and that therefore can miss either a full or new moon in the month. As the cycle from dark moon to dark moon is less than 29.53 days, it is also impossible to occur outside February.

As for the fourth meaning (two new moons in a month), obviously this cannot occur in February. — Eoghanacht ^talk 16:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Plug

The line "For Black Moon the retro-metal band see www.myspace.com/blackmoonmusic" seems like a plug. There should be an entry for the retro-metal band Black Moon, rather than a reference to a myspace account.

plug-in a signature.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 10:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

What?

• "...by the first meaning,..."
• "...by the second meaning can,..."

By the end, this usage gets particularly confusing for those of us not very familiar with astronomy.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 10:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC) Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.27.25 (talk) 01:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Other Names

This section contains these two sentences:

• "Until recently it was commonly misunderstood that the second full moon in a month was the blue moon."
• "A blue moon is the second full moon in one month."

These cannot both be true. 71.63.75.7 (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The first one is true. 91.107.140.8 (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

"Only"

"January - Wolf moon only". What is the purport of the word "only" here? I can't make sense of it. 91.107.140.8 (talk) 18:30, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

January 2014

8.18.145.160 (talk · contribs) reverted my updates to this article with the edit summary:

Reverted to previous definitions, as they do not simply boil down to a second new moon in Jan.. See Blue Moon, the second new moon in a month is a misunderstanding of the phenomena.

There is no source for this interpretation of the phrase "black moon". The available sources (scant and unreliable as they are) only list the interpretation of "a month with two new moons." (The case of no new moon in February is simply an offshoot of the case of two new moons in either January or March, and should not be listed as a separate meaning of the phrase.) Since no sourcing exists to support any other interpretation of the phrase, I can't see that this reversion is legitimate. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Jan 2014

There are actually several references on a Black Moon across the web. It is a vague and seldom used term. I referenced some, and will add more as they are found. The references are from astronomical websites written by reputable astronomers. Such as Dr. Fraser Cain, in 2008. As far as what wiccans believe, we can only take them at their word. References to these beliefs have also been provided. To clarify a Black Moon is the New Moon equivialent of a Blue Moon with two additional occurrences. Which make sense, no moons in a month = Black Moon month. None are contradictory. Manjushri Bodhisattva (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

After much searching I have found no reference to the third new moon in a season with four being called a Black Moon. The term, though now repeated by at least three astonomy websites, appears to be completely astrological and specifically wiccan. The oldest reference in a book about wicca I found was 2004, however, the oldest webpage reference is 2002 and refers to it as a Wiccan Belief. I found only the belief the second new moon in a calendar month as a Black Moon among the Wiccan texts. This appears to be another genie out of the bottle, due to the recent media coverage. Similar to the Blue Moon misunderstanding that has led to it being considered the second full moon in a month with two, instead of the original third in a season with four. Or the perigee-syzygy full moon now being called a Supermoon, though that term at least dates back to 1979. Manjushri Bodhisattva (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I think this entire article should be deleted as it all seems completely made up and a misunderstanding of "Blue Moon" which is itself based on errors of interpretation made long ago. 65.215.33.194 (talk) 17:30, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The page is "wrong" to show September 2016 as having two new moons; the reference for the black moon dates does not support this assertion. The new moon (in UT) is in fact just over 10 minutes into October 2016, with a second new moon on 30 October. It depends on your time zone whether September or October has a second new moon. Chi And H (talk) 22:27, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

I, too, would vote to get rid of this article. It may have some meaning in astrology, but I've never heard any astronomer refer to a "Black Moon". It strikes me as being completely made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travisarny (talk • contribs) 21:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Misleading First Sentence

The very first sentence in this article states...

"The term black moon refers to an additional new moon that appears in a month or in a season (the blue moon being for an additional full moon)."

I must point out...

There are normally three new Moons in a season because a season is three months long. If you have two new Moons (one additional new Moon) in one month, it is an additional (4th) new Moon in that season of which the month is a part. Therefore, the first sentence makes no sense as it incorrectly implies there are two different occurrences which are called a "black Moon" (one which is an additional new Moon in a month... and... one which is an additional new Moon in a season).

Thibeinn (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thibeinn (talk • contribs)