Talk:Blind Lemon Jefferson

No Mention of His Piano Skills

There is no mention of Lemon's piano playing. Listen to his Teddy Bear Blues where he refers to Mr. Piano Whooper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Long rider77 (talk • contribs)

• Discographies list George Perkins as pianist on that recording (eg [1]) -- Infrogmation (talk) 04:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Image

I just replaced the image in this page. The image that was there was sort of primitive, and the same picture is the one I have uploaded - it is an album cover, and should pass copyright. If anyone reads this, there are other images of him, not only the one in the original page. Here is one http://image.com.com/mp3/images/artist/pic200/drp200/p257/p2571612u80.jpgMy wife says the face is not the same. Any comment? And then there is this one http://www.brooksbluesbar.co.uk/images/hall%20of%20fame/robert%20johnson.jpg that to me does not look like the same person. Again, any comment?--Dumarest 21:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

There is one other known photograph of Jefferson that was published in Blues & Rhythm magazine a few years back. The photos listed above are of Mississippi John Hurt and Robert Johnson, respectively. --RobHutten 17:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, those two came up on a Google image search, along with a number of instances of the true image. I thought they looked 'odd'. I have re-uploaded the album cover, with more data supporting free use. --Dumarest 19:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

File:BlindLemonEngraving.jpg

Blind Lemon Jefferson; 1920s Paramount paper record sleeve engraving

The image previously illustrating the article is, as the caption and title explain, an engraving, from period Parmount Records advertising. If you want a different image to illustrate an article, do not upload over the old one at the same title if it is not the same image with the exact same text description accurate. -- Infrogmation 02:00, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I find the deletion of this image scanned from a rare 1920s paper record sleeve in favor of a "fair use" image yoinked from the web objectionable. -- Infrogmation 19:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm still pissed off over the deletion of this image. It would qualify as PD-US-no notice; the image currently illustrating the article is "fair use". I scanned it from an original 1920s paper record sleeve that was in my own collection before Katrina. I don't understand why this needed to be deleted and would like it restored if possible; if you don't like it in the article it could go on Commons. -- Infrogmation (talk) 06:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Three years and still pissed off! Frankly, that's amazing in itself. Why not upload it as passed into the public domain and I'll take a look? How was the original deleted in favour of a fair use one? Is the PD tag in dispute? Either way, I'm happy to provide a second opinion. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd scan and reupload it if I still had it. I don't, thanks to Effects of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. Perhaps that puts my annoyance into perspective. -- Infrogmation (talk) 14:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

What happened with the failed undelete? Can't an earlier version be restored? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 19:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Infrogmation! I found the scanned image that you lost to Katrina. It was preserved on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20060114175240/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Lemon_Jefferson It looks like there's a better photo now but I still thought you'd like to have the photo. OwenVersteeg (talk) 03:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone know if this is his signature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonepilgrim007 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Photo

Photos was deleted from commons and disappeared also from here. I wonder, if anybody really owns any copyrights. --128.214.205.5 14:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Influence

There is a contradiction in the article concerning Jeffersons influence on younger generations. The intoduction states: "He was not influential on younger blues singers as they did not seek to imitate him as they did other commercially successful artists." (supported by a note). The 'Music and influence' section, on the other hand, says: "He was a founder of the Texas blues sound and an important influence on the next generation of blues singers and guitarists, including Lead Belly and Lightnin Hopkins. He was the author of many tunes covered by later musicians, [...]". HdZ 16:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

A larger contradiction than the above is the fact that Leadbelly is stated as being the generation of blues-artists who followed on from Jefferson, despite the fact that Leadbelly was six years older than Jefferson, perhaps some editting is needed on this section? Moustan 86.10.97.187 (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I really thing the part about Blind Melon should be removed. They've never confirmed or even mentioned Blind Lemon Jefferson. The name came from a phrase that Brad's father used to describe people. Or something to that affect. (From the book that was just released). Resiak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.251.175 (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I play and sing some of Lemon's music. It's tough stuff to put together: His ability as a guitarist was nothing short of phenomenal, and his singing was extraordinarily evocative. It's little wonder that he had virtually no imitators, he was just too unique. In my opinion, the only other player in his class was Charley Patton, who had a very different approach to the blues. OTOH, Lemon's songwriting had a tremendous influence on later performers and writers. Lines of his show up in many subsequent blues songs, though of course it's possible that he himself picked up verses from the tradition. Alas, the definitive study of Lemon's art remains to be written. 98.30.49.10 (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

About influence---Shouldn't the article mention somewhere that the rock group Jefferson Airplane was originally called Blind Jefferson Airplane? Apparently the group were fans of his. Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.28.135.240 (talk) 22:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit annoyed that my contribution referring to a record shop that uses Jefferson's photo as their store logo was deleted. The reason for the removal was given as advertising. I certainly did not intend it as such; although I have been a customer of the store I am in no way associated with the business. I just wanted to illustrate the respect in which Jefferson's legacy is held.

Is it forbidden on Wikipedia to refer to an existing business, this being deemed to be advertising? If so, there are very many pages that breach this rule. I could have mentioned the store without saying its name; however, since the citation identifies the store anyway, that seems rather pointless. Bob 32 116 (talk) 12:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• I cannot see how the mention of this shop does anything to contribute to enlightening the influence he's had or provide any kind of meaningful information regarding BLJs life & works. There are numerous souvenirs etc. that try to latch on to his importance, yet all of this is fairly trivial - and much of it is just that: advertising.--Albrecht Conz (talk) 04:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Copyrights of recordings

I guess the copyright period of actual recordings by Blind Lemon must have been ended. They have been recorded over 70 years ago and the company went to bankcrupt over 70 years ago, right...? What do you think? --128.214.205.62 11:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

We are going to find out real soon on that one.... Adam Duritz accidently claims credit for "Mean Jumper Blues". He's fessed up to it and all, but it's too late, as the album is released in 6 days, and has already been shipped out.--Jessicabreckenridge 04:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

xXtommyXx- fixing name vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.177.189 (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Date of death

There seem to be 4 camps:

• he died on an unknown date in mid-December (the majority of sites are as vague as this)
• he died on or about 12 December (eg. [[2])
• he died on an unknown date in late December (many sites say this)
• he died on 22 December (eg. [3] and [4]).

The fact that no death certificate has ever turned up (if one ever existed) makes it a tough call. But surely we can establish an earliest possible date. Is there no record of the last time he was known to be alive? The Handbook of Texas Online pulls no punches, but just comes straight out and says he died on 22 December, with citations. It looks reputable enough for that information go into our article. Comments? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 01:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

A death certificate has now turned up, showing the date of his death to have been the 19th of December 1929. The certificate is reproduced in Frog Blues and Jazz Annual #1 (2010), which I have not yet seen ; more detail when I have it. 91.105.208.220 (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, have it now. The death certificate has Jefferson dying at 10am on 19th Dec. 1929, the cause "probably acute myocarditis". The quality of the information otherwise isn't very good ; it seems to have been provided by his landlady in Chicago - she gets his name wrong, calling him George Jefferson, which must be why the certificate hadn't been found before ; but there are unlikely to have been two blind black Texans called Jefferson dying of heart attacks in Chicago around the 18th-20th of December 1929. 91.106.73.31 (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Eeexcellent! I've incorporated this info into the article. Thanks, friend/s 91. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 23:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I see that the headstone on his grave has no exact date for birth or death: [5] Martinevans123 (talk) 14:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Specific/General Commentary

This is a very good blues article! Lots of referenced material, factual tone, no apocryphal tales interjected as 'fact.' Dey ain't no snake in de wagon tracks here. There is, however, still a lot of unsourced material.

I've specifically removed a section of unsourced material with a factual error on wrestling. It's claimed that Jefferson's claim of wrestling experience has been sighted as proof of sight. It's common knowledge among wrestlers that the blind are allowed to compete with the sighted. Tapered (talk) 06:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I remember reading a long time ago that he froze to death...drunk...coming from a gig...waiting for his driver to pick him up..also that by the end of his life he "cared little for anything except liquor and women" I don`t think this distracts from his significance..he was a great guitarist and singer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonepilgrim007 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

sorry 1`st post.. I didn`t know I needed to sign it. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 19:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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I recently did a research project on Blind Lemon Jefferson for my Digital Humanities class and I would like to add a small paragraph with some of my findings. Please let me know if you delete or edit so I could revisit the article and make appropriate changes.

Paragraph to be added. "One of Jeffersons first appearances was at the General Association of Baptist Churches in Buffalo Texas. There he would perform classic gospel music which would later lead to his first album release in 1926 containing two hit gospel songs.  "I Want to Be Like Jesus in My Heart" and "All I Want Is That Pure Religion",  According to his Friend Leadbelly, In 1917 Jefferson was commonly found on the corner of Elm and Central Tracks in a part of town called Deep Ellum. Jefferson was restricted in many parts of Dallas by the white population leaving his only option to play the African neighborhood that made up deep Ellum."

sources:

Govenar, Alan. "That Black Snake Moan: The Music and Mystery of Blind Lemon Jefferson." In Bluesland, edited by Peter Welding and Toby Byron. New York: Dutton, 1991.

The Life And Legend Of Leadbelly Paperback – May 7, 1999

by Charles Wolfe (Author), Kip Lornell (Author) (source will be correctly sighted when the edit has been made)

Beedk (talk) 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)