Talk:Blind cave eel

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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Blind cave eel (Ophisternon candidum), in north-western Australia

• ... that blind cave eel (pictured) is the longest cavefish in the world? Source: Moore, Glenn I.; Humphreys, William F.; Foster, Ralph (2018). "New populations of the rare subterranean blind cave eel Ophisternon candidum (Synbranchidae) reveal recent historical connections throughout north-western Australia". Marine and Freshwater Research. 69 (10): 1517. doi:10.1071/MF18006. ISSN 1323-1650

5x expanded by Hoau4476 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC).

• Starting review--Kevmin § 16:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Points of work regarding the two list structured sections noted at the talk page, sightings list not appropriate as structured for en.wiki (move to wikispecies and proseify here), and conservation section too close to copyvio, and also needs to be converted to prose. Additionally when the lists are subtracted from the prose count, the current readable prose is assesed by the DYK check tool as only 1223 words, 277 words under the DYK minimum.--Kevmin § 17:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Kevmin Thank you for the feedback, appreciate it, I have fixed the issue, can you take a look again if you are free? Hoau4476 (talk) 13:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

The rewordings are looking great. Next question, what is meant by the second sentence in paragraph 3 of the lede? it currently reads "They typically live in caves or burrow into sediments and tend to eat crustaceans and sometimes terrestrial submerged into sinkholes", which does not parse to me, are you saying they live in caves and on the surface?--Kevmin § 14:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Kevmin I was trying to express they live in caves but sometimes will eat food that dropped in water. I have reworded it hope it looks better. Hoau4476 (talk) 14:25, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Hoau4476 So what your trying to convey is that they permanently live in caves/sinkholes, and eat primarily crustaceans and other cave substrate organisms, but have been documented to also feed on sources washed into the cave systems?--Kevmin § 14:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Hoau4476 I see the feeding fix, nice. The taxonomy section needs some massaging now. What do you mean that the current binomial better illustrates? Also I think you mean "vernacular" name and not "generic" (as generic would be the genus name).--Kevmin § 15:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Kevmin I fixed the taxonomy section now. I am a business school student haven't studied biology in my life so thanks for bearing with my mistake. Hoau4476 (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

No worries, just a few more things and then we should be good. The lede could be trimmed down a little, as its a brief summary of the article and not a verbatim repetition of the main body. hook is cited and sourced though the source disputes the articles assertion that O. candidum is one of only 2 fully subterranean vertebrates in Australia, with Moore et al (2018) stating there are 3 subterranean vertebrates.--Kevmin § 15:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Kevmin I must have looked into fishesofaustralia.net.au saying its one of the only 2, I found a new reference in Moore et al (2018) and put the third subterranean vertebrates in the lead. Not sure if I can further polish the lede, would be great if you can help on that part. Hoau4476 (talk) 16:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Hoau4476 fisherofaustralia and Moore et al are both correct, they just take differing points of view on how to discuss. fishesofaustralia is looking at the genus level (1 genus), Moore et al is looking at the species level (1 genus with 2 species). The lede should be maybe 3-4 sentences at most, the "cliff notes" version of the article if you will. --Kevmin § 13:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Kevmin Thank you for telling me that, now I know both are correct. For the lede, I think the marking rubric of my university assignment tells me to write like this, I also saw an article in WikiProject Fishes written by a student in my university last year having similar style (Eastern shovelnose ray), so sorry I might not be able to change that. Nevertheless, I am more than happy to summarize it to 3-4 sentence after my assignment is graded next month. Hoau4476 (talk) 16:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Article expansion new enough and long enough. Hook cited and verified to source. Image is front page compatible. Noted issues in the article have been dealt with, and no identifiable policy issues are present. I think we are Good to go.--Kevmin § 15:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)