Talk:Blue Cheer

Project of former member Kellogg

Apparently Ralph Burns Kellogg pursued a career under the name of Ethan James. Together with Lisa Mitchell(-Silverman), he formed a project Jane Bond and the Undercovermen which brought out a record under the title of Politically Correct. This happened in the early 80s, and it is the first time I heard that now infamous term mentioned. I found claims on Google that the record was quite fashionable among students and payed often on campus radio in its days. Given that three of the women who later formed the Bangles took part, this may be likely.

My question now: does anybody know the lyrics of said record? Does it refer to political correctness as we know it, directly or per irony? -- Zz 16:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Proto-metal?

Is Blue Cheer heavy metal?, or were they a late 60's hard rock/proto-metal band. Because clicking on this proto-metal link shows a section on the heavy metal page that would make more sense for Blue Cheer. 68.102.235.239 (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Proto metal is a make-believe fairy-tale genre that only exist in the minds of teen-age Wikipedia editors who don't realize that heavy metal started in the mid-1960s and not the mid 1980s. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I know heavy metal didn't start in the mid 1980's, that's plain retarded. That would disregard bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. I didn't really know if proto-metal was real thing or not, since it redirects to the heavy metal page. And it was more towards the late-1960's when heavy metal really started. 68.102.235.239 (talk) 02:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

they are a heavy metal band

if u want to be sure about this band's genre listen to their 90's albums

they are heavy metal

modern heavy metal not just blues rock

the reputation that blue cheer is a protometal psychedelic band is popular because the majority of people listen to their 1968 summer time blues

but listen to their 90 s album like the beast is back ans dinning with the sharks

you ll find

double kick drums fast solos like any heavy metal band without loosing their stoner edge.

i don't know how to put samples for their modern works to change the image of the one hit wonder psychedelic band.

(41.196.219.3 (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC))

well as far as I know they were the 1st power trio..generally thought to be the loudest band of all time...I guess it`s a matter of opinion..I always considered them to be heavy metal..the consensus amongst musicians at the time was they sucked as all metal bands do to anyone who likes good music..when I was growing up in the 60`s their`s was the one 45 in my stack I never played..don`t know how I got stuck with the worse recording of Summertime Blues ever made...I guess nobody else wanted it either.. Tom Waits made it a point to do the exact opposite of what they did..anyway back to Andres Segovia ..never could stand these posers. Lonepilgrim007

I need some help with a source.

I have a copy here of 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before you Die and they mention Vincebus Eruptum being, "paving the way for everything from the Stooges to Zeppelin, from heavy metal to experimental rock." on page 140. I think experimental rock should be mentioned as another genre they have been called pioneers of, but I don't know how to site book references. Can some one please help? Thanks. Rockgenre (talk) 22:49, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

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Blue Cheer website?

Currently the listed website www.bluecheer.us is no longer Blue Cheer's. The website is just a "for sale" ad.

Does anyone have an updated URL for the band? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodb56 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Blue Cheer Members

My name is Troy Spence, and I was the guitar player in Blue Cheer from 1975 to 1977. Along with James Curry on drums, we performed under the name 'Peterbuilt' in Sacramento, California until Dicki decided to use the 'Cheer' name to enhance his come back. With Dicki Peterson on bass guitar and his brother Jerri Peterson on guitar we play'd up and down the west coast ending up in Laguna Beach Ca. in '77 culminating in a performance at the Whisky a-go-go on the Sunset Strip. This can be confirmed with a review writin' in Variety Magazine that year. 'Peterbuilt' was the first incarnation of groups with Dicki and his brother Jerri after the demise of the original group. I was and still am proud to have been a member of 'Blue Cheer', and dishearten that James and myself are not included in the history of 'Blue Cheer'. Dicki Perterson and Blue Cheer will go down in Rock'n'Roll history as the band that started 'Heavy Metal' music. In the book 'Rolling Stones History of Rock'n'Roll', the first page you see is editors note, and confirms that very same thing. ≈≈≈≈Troy Spence Jr. [REDACT]

File:Troy and blue cheer.jpg

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.39.206 (talk) 23:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Heading needs more neutral tone

No one denies the greatness and influence of Blue Cheer, but the heading seems to go a bit overboard in trying to "tout" them, and consequently loses the sense of objectivity needed. It rightfully mentions that they have been cited as the first heavy metal band, but it unintentionally (implicitly by awkward use of wording) makes it look as if they were somehow the first in the other genres, so wording needs to be more clear, to convey that that they were influential on the later genres, yes, but not necessarily fist in those. Garagepunk66 (talk) 23:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I went in and re-worded the heading to sound more neutral and less confusing. I moved the accolades down to the legacy section as not to convey the perception of "touting." Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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mention of demo "Be In Band"

Does anyone think we need to mention some demo that someone has put up on YouTube? We can fix the poor writing, but I don't see this as anything but trivia and a promo for the youtube page. It has been repeatedly removed. The link to an unauthorized YouTube posting of a presumably copyrighted song in the early versions of this edit [1] [2] is clearly unacceptable, and the more recent versions without the YouTube link [3] [4] [5] leave us with unsourced trivia. An unreleased demo doesn't belong in the article at all, let alone in the lede, unless there is a reliable source showing its importance. Is there something significant about this particular demo? Meters (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Band size and genre

In 1967 Blue Cheer was a 7 piece band. Blue Cheer music was at first Psychedelic rock/Instrumental rock. Than Blue Cheer became what they are today. There is only one track out when Blue Cheer first started as a 7 piece Psychedelic rock/Instrumental rock band. The name of the track is Be In Jam. When Blue Cheer saw Jimi Hendrix Blue Cheer became a 3 piece band.

Can I put that in Blue Cheer wiki under the first paragraph of history? I would fit in the page sense it is telling something of history. People may not know Blue Cheer was like that at first when reading the page on wiki sense it does not say it on the page.

I have proof this is real. I can make you a video of the letters of me and the other person talking about it and send it to wiki. It will show you he sends me the track and people online said before Blue Cheer started as a 7 piece band and became a 3 piece band when saw Jimi Hendrix. If I send it to you I would need an email sense the ones I used does not work and say it is not right. I know wiki does have one that works sense I read somewhere that wiki send an email when someone sends wiki a donate.BlueCheerfan (talk) 18:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)BlueCheerfan

Please read WP:RS. "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources." Your communication with someone else is not "published" and much of what is on the web is cannot be considered reliably sourced. It depends on the individual web site. I suggest you look for a reliable published source. Meters (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

It is real. The track I show you is real. It said so in books somewhere when they saw Jimi Hendrix they became how they are now. How else would people know that. Can I please post it. What would happen if I post it? Would you have too take it down?24.238.60.14 (talk) 19:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)BlueCheerfan

Then find the books and cite the sources. Saying it must be true because people say so is useless. And yes, I will likely remove anything you add that is based on such supposed evidence. Meters (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I was reading on Blue Cheer wiki and it showed that they were 7 members in a band. I heard that wiki can be false sometimes though and it is made by a bunch of people. How else did people fine all this information on Blue Cheer to be true when Blue Cheer did not have their own books and was in very few books? Blue Cheer does not even have a full interview to be watch from there early days. People who interview them must of pass the information and true websites like for example MTV and Rolling Stone must of pass some of it down. So, if I can put it down. The first sentence will say this. In 1967 when Blue Cheer was a 7 piece band. Then I can leave the rest the same. So, can I put it up sense what I want to put up is true?BlueCheerfan (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)BlueCheerfan

Again, please indent your posts. And read WP:RS and WP:VERIFY. You are the one that said there were books that mentioned this. Now that I've asked you to provide the sources you say there are no books. Which is it? Reliable sources don't have to be books, but they have to be verifiable. Many newspaper or magazine articles are fine, for example, but your argument that it must be true because people say so is useless. Meters (talk) 21:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking of books as magazines. Sorry about that.

So, if I cannot show it said somewhere besides from people that Blue Cheer was a Psychedelic rock/Instrumental rock that I cannot post on wiki that Blue Cheer was? Then I cannot say on wiki that Blue Cheer have a track name Be In Jam sense it does not say nowhere besides from people who knows the band or know people who knows the band! Almost no one knows the track and only very few knows the track. So, I cannot post the track then on wiki and not even on Blue Cheer song list wiki then? If not, then why not when I show you I have the track?BlueCheerfan (talk) 21:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)BlueCheerfan

I'm not going to discuss this any more. Read the links I pointed you to. Provide reliable sources or don't add the material. Meters (talk) 01:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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The Blue Cheer album 7 (2012; ShroomAngel Records) is a studio album and I want to add something else on the Blue Cheer too.

The album was complete and just came out later. It has all new tracks on it. The Misfits album Static Age was a studio album and is put under as a studio album on this website. That album was the first studio album made complete but was put out later. If that album is a studio album than so is the Blue Cheer album. I know the Blue Cheer CD have comes with bonus tracks and only the vinly did not. Other Blue Cheer studio albums was not release in the USA. If the Blue Cheer 7 album only came in vinly that would not change it from not being a studio album to compilation. The album even fits together as a studio album. The Blue Cheer album The Beast Is Back is a studio album and haft of the album have tracks that was from other studio albums in different versions. I want the Blue Cheer album to stay put as a studio album and just change back to studio album if it gets change to something else like other things on here does. If the album cannot be put under studio album than there would be something wrong with the website and would be a complete lie. There is no way the album is not a studio album when it even fits together as a studio album.

On the Blue Cheer page of the album Outsideinside under Additional personnel I want to change Ralph Burns Kellogg to this Ralph Burns Kellogg - keyboards, organ, reeds (track 1 only) since Ralph Burns Kellogg was only on 1 track. You can only hear the keyboards on the first track. That is proof right there since you can hear it. People do know when they here the guitar in Rock music. BlueCheerfan (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2018 (UTC)BlueCheerFan

Did you read the long message User:Sixty Minute Limit left on your talk page? Read the links he or she left you: WP:OR and WP:RS. Wikipedia reports what reliable sources say about the subject, not what you or any other editors think. Meters (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I did. I post that post before the person reply back to me. Ok. I understand. I talk about it with the person already. Looks like there is no need for me to edit/post on wiki anymore than. I have nothing else to do on wiki. I found it funny that on the Blue Cheer album Highlights and Lowlives page before it had Roadhouse Blues as a outtake when there was no reliable source that it was.BlueCheerfan (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)BlueCheerFan

No, that edit was made to your talk page on 28 July [6], 2 weeks before your post here. And I see that you and I had discussed the same issues on this page in March 2017. I think my final word then still applies I'm not going to discuss this any more. Read the links I pointed you to. Provide reliable sources or don't add the material. Meters (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I was not meaning the first reply. It was after the person reply back my reply that I reply back with is what I meant. I should of made myself more clear and I see I made a mistake there. It was not exactly the same thing we talk about. It was still different. The post I was talking to Sixty Minute Limit with prove it was different. You can now go and read the whole thing to really know how it was different.BlueCheerfan (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)BlueCheerFan

Was it really occult rock band?

I saw that recently this band was categorized by User:Sixty Minute Limit as an occult rock band, but I do really doubt that it is true. Can anyone prove or disprove this statement based on bands lyrics or public statements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Brain (talk • contribs) 12:27, 11 October 2018 (UTC)