Talk:Bluetooth mesh networking

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If I understand it correctly, the topic of this article is supposed to be one particular method of mesh networking over Bluetooth hardware. That particular method of mesh networking is managed by the Bluetooth company, and uses Bluetooth Low Energy as its networking protocol.

If that's right, then the problem is how to distinguish

1. mesh networking over Bluetooth hardware (in general); versus
2. mesh networking over Bluetooth hardware using the Bluetooth Low Energy protocol that Bluetooth (the company) wishes to promote as The Solution for mesh networking over Bluetooth hardware (which is a bit too long for an article title).

Capitalisation would be one way of distinguishing the two with compact titles, but the official Bluetooth pages that I see seem to interchange freely between capitalised and non-capitalised versions, fuzzing out the distinction.

Maybe:

1. mesh networking over Bluetooth which would briefly refer to the officially preferred method and in general to other methods; vs
2. Bluetooth mesh networking for the official article - this article right now mostly seems to concern that.

Any objections or better ideas? Boud (talk) 01:32, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I think Bluetooth mesh would be even better to name a thing defined by Bluetooth SIG. Bluetooth mesh is already an alias to it. MichalHobot (talk) 07:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't follow what you're trying to say. "Bluetooth SIG" appears to be a company. This article is not about the company "Bluetooth SIG", so that's not under discussion. My guess is that you're trying to say that the best name for the article about Bluetooth's official networking solution is "Bluetooth mesh", and you have no comment on what the best name is for networks over Bluetooth in general. (Here, I have dropped the word "mesh", because from what I understand, that's only jargon and adds no meaning: a network has nodes joined in a logical graph, and a mesh network has nodes joined in a logical graph.)

If I have understood correctly, the "Bluetooth mesh" would still leave ambiguity about a "network over Bluetooth" versus a "network over Bluetooth using Bluetooth's official system". Boud (talk) 19:12, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Correction: Bluetooth Special Interest Group appears to formally be a "not-for-profit, non-stock corporation" that sets technical standards and defends patents and trademarks. So not quite the same as a for-profit corporation on the stockmarket. I don't think that that changes the issue much, except that a standards organisation should be a bit more careful about setting a formal name rather than words that appear to be common English. Boud (talk) 20:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

While you slowly gain knowledge on standard bodies, wireless protocols and network topologies (Mesh networking seems to be a good read for you) let me remove the Community Usage paragraph as being off topic. Once you decide where it belongs, feel free to put it there. MichalHobot (talk) 11:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Community usage is not off-topic under the present title. I have proposed a better title below. A solution to the problem in the title will help Wikipedia readers gain knowledge about standards bodies, wireless protocols and network topologies faster than if the title remains confusing. :) Boud (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Implementation section form and purpose

There is an "Implementation" section in the article. At the beginning, when Bluetooth mesh was young, it was short and listed early adopters in the space. Over time it grew up to the point it looks like a directory.

On one hand I understand that Wikipedia is not supposed to be a directory and updating it on a regular basis is a mundane job. On the other hand, I believe that the fact that the standard has been implemented both commercially and in libre software community is notable and removing references to them is a loss.

Hence the question: what should we do? Should we just list the number of implementations? List few earliest ones? List the latest ones? List notable ones (the ones which has been used in real-life solutions)? MichalHobot (talk) 12:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Informal RM: Bluetooth Mesh

To avoid the 7-delay for a formal requested move, I propose that we move Bluetooth mesh networking to Bluetooth Mesh.

Reason: This would remove the ambiguity discussed above. You (Michał Hobot) seem to accept that this would be a better title, as the proposed title would be a reasonable descriptive summary of the Bluetooth Profile + Bluetooth Model specifications plus other closely related specifications, and would avoid the meaning of mesh networking over Bluetooth, which you clearly wish to exclude from this article. You sort of seemed to accept this proposal above, except that you didn't capitalise "mesh". The lack of a capital would continue the ambiguity problem, which is why we need Bluetooth Mesh, not Bluetooth mesh as the main name.

Może być? Please state if you have any objections to this proposal. If there are no objections, then we will have to ask an admin to make the move as an uncontroversial technical move.

Thanks. Boud (talk) 16:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

No objections from my side (Może być) MichalHobot (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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Bluetooth mesh networking → Bluetooth Mesh – Consensus on talk page to avoid ambiguity. Target page name already exists as a redirect. Boud (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 15:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 19:16, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: There is an argument for changing the article name to Bluetooth Mesh (see the sections above) but the subject appears complex and could benefit from more participation by people familiar with the topic. EdJohnston (talk) 19:16, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - even the horse's mouth use the current name: [1]. Doesn't seem like it's a proper noun worthy of capitalising, and the descriptive title is better.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – the cited sources do not appear to support the claim that there's a standard or a protocol named "Bluetooth Mesh", so there is no basis here for treating that as a proper name. Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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