Talk:Bobby Heenan/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 08:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Opening Comments

I feel pretty bad that this article has been nominated for such a long time, without a review. I know of Bobby Heenan, but I'm not exactly fully versed in his work, so hopefully I'll learn a few things from the review. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - The article is of sufficient quality to be reviewable for GA
• It contains copyright infringements - A copyvio search brought up a Wikia, but it's likely a copy violation OF wikipedia.
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - No issues with tags.
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - Occasional IP edits get reverted. Hardly an edit war.

Links

• No Disambiguation links
• Two warning Links - reference 8, and 36. Both still work, but the first is expiring, so will need an archive made, if possible.
  •  Done

Prose

Lede

• Lede's only need references if the information is really controversial and could not be sourced anywhere else in the article. If the date of birth is important to have a reference, move it to the infobox.
  • This birth date is more controversial than one would think. We apparently need a reference, but I did move it to infbox.
• was an American professional wrestling manager, wrestler, comedian and color commentator - feels odd to me, how this is phrased. You could read this as "American Pro wrestling manager, pro wrestling wrestler, comedian and color commentator", which is bad grammically, or read as "Pro wrestling manager, wrestler, comedian...", but the word wrestler would suggest he was an olympic style wrestler. I'd also argue he's better known for being on commentary than as an in-ring worker. Maybe read "American professional wrestling manager, color commentator, wrestler and comedian", which removes all ambiguity.
  •  Done
• Frequently described as the greatest professional wrestling manager of all time, he was known for his skill in drawing negative reactions for himself and his wrestlers - This is pretty bad way to describe heat. "Negative reactions" isn't exactly what he did, and this would indicate he got bad reactions backstage, and from the crowd, or even outside of the shows.
  • Struggled with this one a little bit, how is the updated version?
    • Yeah, that's better. Less ambiguous  Done
• whom he led to the AWA World Heavyweight Championship - Should say led to WIN the title.
  •  Done
• Lede needs a little expansion too. Doesn't mention his television works or his death.
  •  Done

Main body

• "Heenan dropped out of school in the eighth grade to support his mother and grandmother." - Should say what age he was, rather than the grade. As an Englishman, I have no idea when the eighth grade is, so would be better to be more worldwide.
  • This is something I would like to add but I don't think I can. In the States, eighth grade is generally 13 or 14 but he could have been pushed ahead or stayed back a year. Sources that mention this say "eighth grade" without an age, I think it would be WP:OR to go further.
• "Always a fan of wrestling growing up in Chicago and Indianapolis, he started in the wrestling profession early on, carrying bags and jackets for the wrestlers, and selling refreshments at the events." - Wording "always a fan", should be "As a fan". Also, remove "the" before events.
  •  Done
• "Heenan became a regular in William "Dick the Bruiser" Afflis' Indianapolis-based" - Should probably either say his name, or his ringname, not both. I'd lean real name, as he's the promoter.
  • I rephrased because both names are needed in article. It's like Steve Austin feuding with Mr. McMahon while being employed by Vince McMahon in reality.
• The article goes from him being a fan to - He's a regular wrestler and manager... What happened to his training?
  • I suspected he had no formal training, which wasn't unusual in those days, because no sources mentioned it. I added two sentences based on what he wrote about it in his autobiography.
• "In particular, Heenan was credited with making Blackjack Lanza one of the top wrestling villains in the country." - Needs a citation.
  •  Done
• He also occasionally wrestled with a storyline "brother" Guy Heenan, the aforementioned Guy Mitchell. - Guy is mentioned earlier in the article as passing, and I actually missed it. Maybe simply put "Guy Heenan, played by Guy Mitchell, from the Assassins".
  •  Done
• In his first appearance in the AWA in 1974, - Should mention that Bobby moved to the AWA, after leaving WWA.
  •  Done
• The AWA was the starting point for his first Heenan Family, which consisted of Bockwinkel, Stevens, Bobby Duncum Sr., and Blackjack Lanza.[2] - Mention what the Heenan family was (A stable of heels), readers shouldn't have to click the wikilink.
  •  Done
• "On January 25, 1975, an angry fan shot at Heenan in Chicago's International Amphitheatre after Heenan interfered in one of Bockwinkel's matches." - Because this is a pro wrestling article, the word "shot" should be explained to be from a gun, rather than a piece of wrestling jargon. I'd use "fired a gun".
  •  Done
• "In early 1979, Heenan left the AWA (suspended one year, in storyline) to work in Georgia Championship Wrestling (GCW), a tenure he later said he did not enjoy due to his dislike of booker Ole Anderson" - Needs a citation.
  •  Done and expanded.
• "and Heenan later recommended to Gagne that he hire him" - Wording "recommended to Gagne that Hogan was hired", or similar.
  • rephrased
• "With Ventura unable to wrestle," - Should probably mention why. Even as a note.
  •  Done
• Big John Studd in his feud against André the Giant about who was the true giant in professional wrestling - This should be phrased. I believe it was the official title for the fued.
  • I rephrased part of it but removed the part about the feuding giants. Not sure if it's needed.
• "After being derided by announcers for his first five years in the WWF (mostly by Gorilla Monsoon) for never managing a champion, WrestleMania V was promoted (mostly by Jesse Ventura and later Gorilla Monsoon) as Heenan's quest, and best chance since WrestleMania III to manage a champion. Heenan finally managed his first champion in the WWF when "Ravishing" Rick Rude upset The Ultimate Warrior for the WWF Intercontinental Championship, a match Heenan insured Rude would win by holding Warrior's leg down so he could not break the pin.[2] Shortly thereafter, he led the Brain Busters to the WWF World Tag Team championship. A few months later after the Busters had lost the titles back to Demolition, he led the Colossal Connection (André and Haku) to the Tag Team Championship when they defeated Demolition. Demolition would win the titles back in WrestleMania VI. Immediately after the loss, Heenan began blaming the loss to Andre the Giant going as far as slapping him.[13] A few months after that, he led Mr Perfect to Intercontinental Championship success.[14]" - With these having title changes, they should be cited.
  •  Done
• Heenan also had a feud with The Ultimate Warrior, who reintroduced Heenan to Weasel Suit matches, - Explination of what these are, as it's not mentioned earlier.
  •  Done
• Another classic moment between the pair often occurred when Heenan would go on a long rant supporting the villainous wrestlers, - POV.
  •  Done
• Heenan said he was uninspired in WCW due to the negative work environment, which he later described as night and day compared to the WWF, and due to conflicts with Schiavone. WCW went out of business less than a year after his release. - If "night and day" is a quote, it needs to be quoted. If not, remove.
  •  Done
• "In 2004, he feuded with fellow managerial legend Jim Cornette in Ring of Honor." - You can't use the word legend, unless quoted
  •  Done
• Heenan made appearances on various television shows, including: Family Feud, Live with Regis and Kathie Lee, The Jerry Lewis MDA Labor Day Telethon, Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards, The Arsenio Hall Show, and The Dennis Miller Show. - Should mention if this was as himself, or as an actor, and cited.
  •  Done
• His first memoir, Bobby The Brain: Wrestling's Bad Boy Tells All, was released on September 1, 2002 with a foreword from Hulk Hogan.[34] A second memoir, Chair Shots and Other Obstacles: Winning Life's Wrestling Matches, was released on March 1, 2004 and has an introduction by Ric Flair. Both books were co-written by Steve Anderson.[2] - No publishing information?
  •  Done
• After his Hall of Fame induction, Heenan provided comments for use in WWE documentary releases. In December 2010, WWE released a retrospective two-disc DVD on Heenan's career.[10] - Should probably name the DVD.
  •  Done

General info

• Pictures could do with alt text.
  •  Done
• The final photo should be moved to the final section, as it's a picture of the pair at a WOW show.
  •  Done

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

As above, this is a pass - Thank you for being so responsive for the page. There are obviously still a couple issues floating, but nothing that would stop this article being classed as GA. Congratulations. I'll update Legobot. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 26 April 2018 (UTC)