Talk:Body Count (band)/Archive 1

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Genre

Ice-T has publicly critisized "rap-metal" saying that it would be best to keep them apart. In the Murder 4 Hire DVD he also makes it clear that Body Count is in no way a Rap group, but a Black Rock group.

They're more of a crossover thrash/punk group then a metalcore band.

They aren't necessarily metal; if anything, they're hardcore and even Ice-T himself said many times at show that "we're the originators of this gangsta-hardcore shit." Their music has more to do with hardcore/thrashcore than anything metal.

Many use the term "hardcore" to describe all forms of aggressive music, which is what Ice-T was most likely doing, because he calls Body Count a "heavy metal band" on his website and MySpace account. And thrashcore is an extreme style of hardcore punk, not a mix of hardcore punk and thrash metal, which is known as "crossover."

In this interview, Ernie C says that when they started the band, their musical style was more towards punk rock. A lot of their early material is more of punk stylings, and many listeners agree that there's definitely a punk influence, at least on their first LP. So Ice's definition of the band (on the OG introduction of "Body Count") as a "black hardcore group" is accurate. (65.2.69.85 01:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

It's no wonder there's confusion about the genre. Ice-T himself is responsible. In its early days, Ice-T was always saying that Body Count were metal and nothing to do with rap. In his book, look at page 99 especially and also page 170. Now, he's trying to claim credit for the whole rap-metal thing; the sticker on the new album talks about Body Count as the pioneers of the genre [or the British sticker does, anyway]. I'm an Ice-T fan and all, but I can't deny that he's trying to have his cake and eat it on this one. Epa101 19:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Was the word "thrashcore" even around when Body Count last made an album? Epa101 19:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

+semi

I have semiprotected this article temporarily as requested on AN/I. Please discuss the edits, and let me know when you all have it worked out so I can light the protection. Thanks. --Improv 19:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Lifted. By current policy, we're discouraged to semiprotect indefinitely. --Improv 14:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

will user Isotope23 ever stop vandalising?

will user Isotope23 ever stop vandalising this and the corresponding articles? where are the admins to ban someone like that? --80.134 00:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, but why don't you ask the admins yourself to do that? You know exactly why. St. Jimmy 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I left a message on your talk page 80.134, along with a link to the admin noticeboard if you wish to take this there. Vandalism != reverting to the last factually accurate and sourced version of an article.--Isotope23 13:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Article status

The article currently stands as being a bit of a work-in-progress. I'd like to work on it some more when I have more time and hopefully get it to GA or higher status. I think that it could use some more info on the early days of the band before the debut album, and that there should be more writing here about the second, third and fourth albums. The article should have as much important detail as possible. (Ibaranoff24 17:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

• Forgot to mention that I don't actually own a copy of one of the books being cited in the article, Richard Dellamora's 'Postmodern Apocalypse: [Etc.]' I was actually looking at the page being cited on Google Books, which only shows part of what was written there about BC. So, if anyone has a copy of the book, would you care to add some of the info it has on the band? (Ibaranoff24 18:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

Original version of debut album given out at concerts?

According to the Time article "Ice-T Melts," he was planning to give out copies of the original version of the debut album, with "Cop Killer" intact, at concerts. Did anyone ever get a copy? I didn't want to put it in the article if this didn't happen way-back-when. (Ibaranoff24 18:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

GA on hold notes

• "For the film, see Below Utopia." - How could you mistake Body Count for Below Utopia? might wanna dab to their album there by the way...
• "in Los Angeles, California in 1990." - unless there's a specific date it shouldn't be wlinked
• "because he had felt that the controversy had eclipsed the music itself" - remove the "had"
• Refs 3 and 4 are the same
• "album was completed[14] and a new drummer" - need punctuation under the ref
• Ref 15 needs accessdate etc.
• The "Musical style" section has instances of 3+ refs for one sentences - these look ugly as hell; spread them around
• "thrash metal[19][20][21]" - need a comma before ref 19
• 2nd and 3rd ELs are really necesssary.

— Dihydrogen Monoxide _(Review) 03:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Passed. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 07:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

genres

the genres should be crossover thrash, funk metal and rap metal, coz body count aren't thrash metal, they sound nothing like slayer & judas priest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.220.148 (talk) 15:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Rap metal

Explain to me why not. I have two sources ready to cite such a label, but there's a hidden message saying not to. LOL, really? These guys are an obvious part of rap metal. They also have Ice-T as a vocalist- what do you expect? DannyMusicEditor (talk) 20:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC) BE BOLD and make the change. Probably a good idea to add the sources given the note Syxxpackid420 (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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