Talk:Bogotá/Archive 1

El teatro colon

So im pretty sure this article shows a image of the teatro colon in Buenos Aires, not in Bogota. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.6.90 (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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I've been in both and the Teatro Colon in Buenos Aires is actually larger, so I'm pretty sure this is the one in Bogota.CataVillamarin111 (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Bogota Government homework

The article lacks info about local politics and local government structure, also info about towns and administrative subdivisions (I think these are called minor cityhalls) and barrios such as chapinero or zona rosa. If possible detail them. you've got homework!!!... --Don Quijote's Sancho 07:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Bogota Economy??

I dont think bogota's (the city) relies on emeralds or coffee (maybe el eje cafetero but not bogota), but on the fact that is the center of Colombia's industrial sector. telecommunications, food and beverage, construction, flowers, leather and other confections, the university population is huge and that contributes a lot to the city's economy. other facts could be that it has a stock exchange, bvc and goverment leaders and the rich also live and invest in bogota.. maybe exports/imports of bogota should be explained. Don Quijote's Sancho 08:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Volunteer

If someone would like to please help me on searching, how TOURISM also contributes to Bogota you are more than invited to contribute!!-- Don Quijote's Sancho 07:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Look at this

Bogota appears to be thriving, prosperous and relatively free of the kind of drug crime affecting large segments of the country. Bogota is in Colombia, therefore the economic situation affects them in a way like its' neighboring cities and departments. The problem is Colombia wants to advertise itself a new player in the world economy and accomodates any international corporation sought an ideal place: the capital city, sits in the highland LLanos of Colombia, is just as populous like New York City. + 71.102.11.193 (talk) 06:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Sources

I need some sources for this information. I can't get to a good library right now, and the Bogata government website is in Spanish (obviously) which I am not too fluent in. --Kerowyn 05:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

In the economy section it is said that Bancolombia and Coltejer are headquartered in Bogota which is not true, they are both headquartered in Medellín.

I removed them, including Postobón. Please remember to sign your posts and don't hesitate to make changes yourself. Canaima (talk) 20:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Things that every major city has

What is the point of talking about a city running a marathon, a rock concert, or having buses for transportation, or etc? Those are basic things that every major city on earth has or does. --tequendamia 02:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

--Yes, but as much of rural Colombia is currently a war-zone, and drug cartels dominate several of its major cities; I think the article attempts to make the point that life in Bogotá is relatively stable and normal. Maybe this should be more clear.

So I've done some copyediting and removed the Britannica template. Is there anything more that needs to be done to this page? --Kerowyn 6 July 2005 05:41 (UTC)

-- The article is way too subjective. The subjective statements need to be removed and replaced with objective ones. Also, the article looks too much like a travel brochure and does not have enough real information. Things such as demographics, crime, government, etc. should be included in the article. The article forfeits this important information and instead only shows some obscure and esoteric information.

Hi, Tequendamia. First: are you sure every major city has buses for transportation? I could well claim that every major city has a metro system for transportation but it happens not to be true in 7.8 million people Bogota. And what it is encyclopeduc relevant is not that this major city has a transportation system but how this transportation system works.

Does every major city has a regularly run marathon? Well, Bogotá does not... it has a half-marathon that is run every year close to the foundation date of the city. Does every major city have either a marathon or a half-marathon?

Does every major city has a regularly held rock festival open for free?

Much probably most major cities do have some festivals and events. What it is encyclopedic relevant is not that they exist but which ones exist.

— Carlos Th (talk) 12:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Ask People from Bogotá to re-write this article Urgently!

Ok, first of all, I live in Bogotá and there is no such thing as miles of greenhouses in the city, greenhouses are not the ones who export flowers, there are cultivations outside of Bogotá and these are the major and most important exportants of Colombia.

Second: I think a foreigner should not write an article of Bogota, they would put in a lot of irrlevant things like the one of Greenhouses and they would put only negative things in(as we have been satanized by movies like Mr. and Ms. Smith, there is no such thing as narcotrafic inside the city and there is no war inside the city, it only happens outside(Medellín, Calí, etc.), there is robbery, homicides and child abuse(but we have reduced them and lately there has been a major improvement). We surely have Corrupt Politicians(which no one mentions, as they are scared) and constant changes made by The powerful and I think they should mention those cases.

We should resume the city in negative and positive aspects, not like a travel brochure or a foreign version. Colombians start writting... (I'm not nationalist or do I like Colombia but, we need a good article) --Vodka Martini, Shaken Not Stirred 23:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean by foreigner? Someone who doesn't live in Bogota? or someone who isn't Colombian? Actually there is no need at all for people in Bogota or who know Bogota to be involved in the writing of this article, which is open to all editors, though be assured that there are many who do know the city who have contributed. Why not edit the piece yourself as you know Bogota and clearly in a good position to correct any mistakes. There is drug trafficking, child abuse, corruption, etc, in every major city of the world, SqueakBox 23:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe your right...I lost my neutrality...I apologize.--Vodka Martini, Shaken Not Stirred 23:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

For the person who said people from Medellin needs to rewrite this what do you mean there is no war in Cali? i'm not from Bogota but i am Colombian and there is alot of guerilla and paramilitares near la modelo and picota prison in case you didnt know and by the way there is narcotrafics in Bogota but not as much as Cali and Medellin and also you said Bogota improved in reducing homicides ,robbery and child abuse I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT police over there are the worst of Colombia.

Usted siendo rolo y usted dice que la violencia esta fuera de Bogota y lo que mas me emputa ami es que usted dice que no hay guerra y narcotraficos yo siendo de Medellin y se mas de Bogota que usted

Elpaisa1

No hay "guerra" en Bogotá en cuanto a que la mayoría de las acciones de grupos ilegales adquieren allí un carácter delincuencial más ligado a la criminalidad común y a veces al narcotráfico que a cualquier otra cosa. Pero no es una ciudad bajo constante ataque o en medio de una confrontación urbana. El hecho de que haya guerrilleros y paramilitares tanto dentro como fuera de las cárceles no cambia eso.

Las estadísticas han mejorado mucho en años recientes y eso lo sostiene no sólo el gobierno sino las mismas alcaldías y otras entidades no gubernamentales. Bogotá es hoy menos violenta que otras ciudades del país. Decir que la policía de allí es la peor de Colombia es una opinión, no un hecho enciclopédico, por lo tanto es debatible.

En cualquier caso, cualquier persona puede contribuir y debatir el contenido del artículo, es cuestión de que se sigan las reglas de Wikipedia y se mantenga el respeto.

There is no "war" in Bogotá, in the sense that most of the actions of the illegal armed groups have acquired a criminal character that is closer to common criminality and sometimes to the drug trade than to anything else. But Bogotá is not a city under constant attack or in the middle of an urban confrontation. The fact that there are guerrillas and paramilitaries both outside and inside the jails hasn't changed that.

The statistics have certainly improved a lot in recent years and that's something argued not only by the central government but also by the different local administrations and other entities and NGOs. Today's Bogotá is less violent than other cities in the country. To say that the police there are the worst in Colombia is an opinion, not an encyclopedic fact, and thus it can be debated.

In any case, any person can contribute and debate the article's content, as long as the Wikipedia guidelines are followed and respect is maintained. Juancarlos2004 16:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Por favor me puede explicar muy bien como no hay "guerra" en Bogota si alla tambien hay guerilla ,paramilitares y gangas y tambien hay guerra contra el gobierno (vos no ves las noticias?). Y verdad las estadísticas han mejorado cuando se le acabo el reinado del cartel de Medellin(the Medellin article also needs fixing like this one) y mataron Pablo Escobar (This one needs fixing badly) pero despues de eso las estadísticas no han vuelto a mejorar

Elpaisa1

Again, there is no "war" in the sense that Bogotá is not Sarajevo or a similar urban battlefied, not by a long shot. I will repeat mostly what I just said. Criminal gangs are just that, criminal gangs, the like of which exist in the rest of the world, so their existence is moot as far as the point being discussed goes. Once again, the paramilitaries and the guerrillas that may be present in Bogotá (and in most other cities and urban locations) act more like common criminals than like armed factions trying to take over the city per se, as would happen in a formal "war". There are exceptions, of course, but that's mostly the case.

I definitely watch the news, and I also live in Bogotá myself. Statistics have improved, not just locally but nationwide, even several years after Escobar's death, so I wouldn't say that's the main cause, not at all. There are plenty of sources that can show that's the case. Juancarlos2004 20:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Gangas? Qué son? What are they? Gangs? Not a term used in Central America and I am curious. Estoy curioso nada más, aquí en CentroAmerica se llaman mareros y maras a los gangs, SqueakBox 02:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

SqueakBox can you just say what country are you from?NOT ALL Central Americans use the same term or speak with the same accent.Hey I heard the gangas term in Panama - Elpaisa

I am living in Honduras where it is mareros who belong to maras, covered somewhat in Mara Salvatrucha, SqueakBox 03:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

From what I know, mara means gang in caliche which is the slang of el salvador but it is also used in honduras and guatemala. In colombia they things like pandilla (standard spanish) or combo. I have also heard bandola and gallada, although gallada refers more to a gang of really delinquent street kids.

I believe "Gangas" is a mistranslation and/or mispluralization, not a proper Colombian term AFAIK. Juancarlos2004 20:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

lets please bring this debate back to english. i realize many of the people contributing to this article may be spanish speakers but perhaps many of the readers are not. i think its bad form if the talk page is in two languages. some of the comments where left in both languages, but others are only in spanish and i think this may leave some non-spanish speaking readers of the english wikipedia wondering what was said uri budnik 06:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Although I've posted the exact same content in English and in Spanish, I'll comply. Juancarlos2004 20:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

ok will translate everything i say WILL write in english and spanish by the way is good to debate in both laguages in THIS ARTICLE Elpaisa1

The "miles of greenhouses" must be an exaggeration but it is well known of Colombia's flourishing floral industry, about millions of kilos of flowers are produced in Colombia every year and sold around the world. The post-civil war country expects an economic boom to place Colombia in the top of the western hemisphere, in addition to surpassing Argentina in population (40 to 45 million) to become the 2nd most populous in South America and third in all of Latin America in the 2000's. + 71.102.11.193 (talk) 06:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Bucaramanga the 4th city in Colombia?

I understand the 4th largest city in Colombia is actually Barranquilla... no is bogota

Where are the Photos?

There are many photographs of Bogota in Commons. I wonder why the photographs have been removed from this article? It used to have a lot.--tequendamia 03:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

INFOBOX

I like this infobox too but, unfortunately it was impossible to change the image size in the city seal (this template is mainly for the U.S. cities) difficult and confusing to apply it to the Colombian system. I think the cities of Colombia shouls keep a single format, standard that was already being established. Other Colombian cities share the same format Bogota had before; Riohacha, Valledupar, Cartagena (Colombia), Barranquilla, Santa Marta, Sincelejo, Monteria, Bucaramanga, Cali and Medellin. I was planning on changing Pasto and Cucuta next and later format Manizales. Maybe you can help me but, Please! before making such drastic changes announce it on the talk page first, so that other wikipedians can get the reasons for your "would like" changes. I'll try to improve the previuos version.. -- Don Quijote's Sancho 08:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

what in the hell?

As you can see from the page there is a lot wrong here. all of the edit boxes are in one row. I attempted to remedy this but I guess my wiki formating skills are lacking. could someone who knows more please look and the page and figure out what is going on. thanks. --Tainter 15:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I've rearranged the photos, which seems to have helped significantly. Previously, all the photos were in a list at the top of the article, and Wikipedia pushed the [edit] boxes to below the images. Argyriou 23:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Bogotano vs. Bogotan?

I've never heard the term Bogotan, but I see it used frequently throughout this article. Did I miss something, or can I switch that all to Bogotano(s)?

This is an article in English not in Spanish. Phonetically the most appropriate word in Englsh for someone from Bogota would be something like Bogotanian, not Bogotan nor Bogotano.--tequendamia 11:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it should not be Bogotan (as that would put the accent on the O and feel weird), but think we should talk about the use of Bogotano as legitimate in an English article. My view is that its an gentilicio without an English translation. There are several in spanish that remain the same in english (e.g. Angeleno in LA) and there are some in Spanish that I highly doubt would be translated (e.g. porteño) but rather used, defined, and italicized. Just because an article is in English should not mean that we make up words to make it sound more English. If we're going to use a non-English word, it might as well be one that is a real world in another language. Perhaps the best solution is to italicize it and define it on first use.

Obviously, where an English translation exists for the gentilicio exists (Colombiano -> Colombian, even Tico -> Costa Rican) it should be used. For those that don't I think there's a better solution than making up new English words. If this has been discussed elsewhere and a consensus has been reached, I'm sorry and please direct me there. Hwonder talk contribs 11:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Based on other demonyms (gentilics) in English, "Bogotan" is most correct for English, even if the accent ends up in the wrong place. If we are going to use the English demonym, it should be capitalized wherever it appears. Currently, capitalization in this article is inconsistent. Argyriou 00:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. Our job as editors is to inform, not to impose our own opinions. Making up words is misinforming. If there is a lack of a demonym for people from Bogotá in the English language, then either Bogotano or simply "people from Bogota" should be used. It is inconvenient, but as I said, we're not making guesses or creating new knowledge here--we're transmitting information.

University list

Do we need to include a long list of universities in this article? There are more than 100 universities in Bogotá alone. Don't think we should list them here.--tequendamia 00:44, 1 September 2006

I think that by 2007 the Universidad de los Andes has become the one of the most prominent universities in Colombia. It should at least be mentioned.

Demographics

This article needs demographic information. I find it surprising that there is no mention of crime, seeing as it is a city notorious for its kidnappings and murder rate. Drcwright 02:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Another problem with this article is that two very different figures for population of the metropolitan area of Bogota are given: 8,244,980 in the introduction, and 7,881,156 in the Demographics section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The higher figure should be the recent census estimate from 2006, compared to the smaller report from the national census held 9 years ago (2001). Bogota has expanded in size greatly by the rural-to-urban migrations, often fleeing from insurgency and uprisings in the civil war period. Also the demographics article should mention is a small American expatriate colony exists in Bogota, therefore you may find retirees, businessmen and Mormon missionaires settle down to have Americans from the U.S. now make up about 5% of the city population (300,000 to 400,000). + 71.102.11.193 (talk) 06:18, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, the Demographics section on the Republic of Colombia page lists a population of 9.3 million for Bogota. Can these be reconciled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.121.67.95 (talk) 02:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Crime

The article is missing a Crime section.--F3rn4nd0 19:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The article written says there was a 48% decrease in Crime. However the numbers quoted don't match. 4,457 in 1994 and 1,607 in 2003. (4457-1607)/4457 = 64% decrease. I corrected this based on the numbers. Not sure if the numbers are verified though.--Mr. Camaro

There are more dangerous cities to name just a few. New York, Los Angeles, Detroit and Washington DC. What don't their articles have crime sections as well?--tequendamia 09:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Tequendamia: New York's homicide rate is 6.58 per 100,000, as of 2005. Do the math. Bacrito 22:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I would hardly say that these cities are more dangerous than Bogotá. Besides, I don't why you are saying that their articles don't have Crime sections -- they all do. In fact, some even have main articles solely on their crime: Crime in Washington, D.C. and Crime in New York City. Drcwright 19:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

"Interestingly, by way of comparison, the city today has a lower murder rate than Washington, D.C., Caracas, São Paulo, Mexico City, Panama City, Detroit, Chicago and Rio de Janeiro"

Point made Drcwright. Los Angeles is, in fact, safer than Bogotá which still has more intentional homicides outright than the Los Angeles metropolitan area (13/14 million people). Plus the above I pasted here is questionable. When including the MSA's of Detroit and D.C. which are much closer to Bogotá in population...their murder rates are a good deal lower than the Colombian capital's. How can Washington and Detroit be more murderous than Bogotá when their comparable MSA's have lower rates? No disrespect to the person who originally put it in but I think the American cities should be removed from the comparison. It's so misleading. Sarcastic Sid (talk) 12:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I've just found out Chicago's murder rate is also lower than Bogotá's. This isn't taking into account the more comparable MSA of Chicago where the murder rate would fall further (though it includes Gary, the rest of metro Chicago is very safe I understand). I have my doubts about the capitals of Panama and Mexico as well. Sarcastic Sid (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay. As there's been no response as yet to my queries a couple of weeks ago, I've made some changes to the crime section. Sarcastic Sid (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Santa Fe de Bogotá?

Shouldn't it be Santafé de Bogotá? —bse3 (talk • contribs • count • logs) 00:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No, that name was dropped about 10 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.60.19 (talk) 19:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Good ol' outdated social studies curriculum. ;) Thanks for clarifying. —bse3 (talk • contribs • count • logs) 23:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Crime Rate Comparison

With 23 persons per 100,000 inhabitants rate, Bogota is by no way safer than São Paulo with it´s 14.2 2007 rate (http://www.ssp.sp.gov.br/estatisticas/_pormunicipio.aspx?codigo=565) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.103.53.203 (talk) 14:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Those figures differ from others I've seen. In 2006, Bogotá's murder rate was 18 per 100,000 while São Paulo's (according to another source) is 23. I don't know what Bogotá's 2007 rate is yet. Sarcastic Sid (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Bogotá more dangerous than Washington

These are figures for 2006:

Rank	City	Population	Murder Total	Murder Rate
1	Washington	581,530	169	29
2	Bogotá	7,321,237	1,372	18

When including the MSA of Washington this happens:

Rank	City/MSA	Population	Murder Total	Murder Rate
1	Bogotá	7,321,237	1,372	18
2	Washington MSA	5,275,654	390	7

Notice when the populations close up Bogotá is higher? Apples with apples my friends...apples with apples.. Power Society (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

A MSA where only 10% of the people live in the city and another where 100% do aren't "comparable urban areas"

Absolutely they're comparable. The fact is you have two continuous, similar-sized built-up areas and Bogotá's murder numbers far surpass those of Washington. I really don't see what the 'city' has to do with it, it's the fault of the Washington planners that set the boundaries so narrow for D.C. in the first place that you get an inflated rate. Power Society (talk) 01:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Why is the name written in Spanish??

This is an English encyclopedia, use Bogota. There is no such letter in English language as displayed here. Outrageous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.1.129 (talk) 16:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually it is more outrageous that you made such a comment without looking up the word Bogotá in other sources. Here you have three reputable sources confirming the official spelling WITH accent mark:

• Encyclopædia Britannica
• Merriam-Webster Dictionary
• dicctionary.com
• Also, the Oxford American Dictionary included with Mac OS X has the entry as Bogotá, but I can't find an online version to link.

Here in Wikipedia there is an article on English words with diacritics and even a list of such words. Those are all words officially spelled with the marks, showing your argument is completely unfounded. 75.64.178.18 (talk) 05:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Density is not 3,000

The city has around 30km x 10km = 300sq km... (8 million / 300 sq km) = is around 26,000 people per square km. It is not 3,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.121.217.210 (talk) 13:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Bogotá and Bogotá Capital District

What's the difference between the two? Are they the same? I cannot tell by reading the two articles, although there are a lot of repetition between them. If they are the same (like Washington D.C. and District of Columbia), perhaps they should be merged? Chanheigeorge (talk) 04:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Bogotá is the name given to an idea of a city (official boundaries and surrounded urban areas, working as a whole), Bogotá Capital District is the legal definition that includes delimited Bogota, and its surrounding areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.0.243 (talk) 03:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Penguins?

WTH is that?? there are no penguins in bogota! it's ridiculous! that's not funny! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabiank86 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Does the edit suggest the Bogota Zoo has penguins? Maybe a troll seeks a thrill by posting that. Penguins can be found in the southernmost tip of South America during the summer, but it's totally impossible for penguins to wash ashore in tropical-equatorial Colombia and walk all the way into the highlands of the Andes to Bogota. Keep up the good work, fabiank86 and check to see if the Bogota Zoo web site has a penguin exhibit. + 71.102.11.193 (talk) 06:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Bogota Airport Plans

I think it is a great idea to put a comparison picture between the current airport terminal and the new one.

The problem is that the render depicted as "the new terminal" is actually the new cargo terminal, already built.

I have the renders of the new terminal but i have no idea how to upload them as the renders were not done by me but by the airport operator. How to solve this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenix 2007 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Bogota has a history of itself selected a stop-over for Latin American airplane routes, such as Avianca based in Bogota and the disbanded Pan-Am (Pan-American) airlines, along with other international aviation since the 1960's. Colombia to the airline industry is similar to Panama's position in the transoceanic vacation cruise industry. + 71.102.11.193 (talk) 06:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Intro should be fixed

I understand that, with the purpose of combating stereotypes and misconceptions, this article may emphasize statistics and data that present Bogotá as a world-class city, but we shouldn't make that the core of this article. This is an encyclopedia, not a magazine. The GaWC statistics (which are rubbish, in my opinion) are given too much emphasis. Is the fact that ONE group of people place Bogotá above this and that city one of the most important things to know about Bogotá? Is it worth taking up 30% of the introduction? No, it isn't. And why do NINE international cities have to be mentioned in order to make that point? Such excess of comparison material only gives the impression that whoever wrote the article is trying to advertise that point. Even if that study (which is almost purely subjective) reflected reality, this article is about the city of Bogotá, not how it stacks up against cities that have little or nothing to do with it. Bogotá is a lot more than an entity trying to catch up with the rest of the world's metropolises. In fact, Bogotá isn't playing catchup with anyone. It is an enormous place with lots of history, lots of present activities, and lots of everything. If we want to actually convey Bogotá's essence in the introduction, let's talk more about the city's own information and less about the GaWC "competition." I'm not saying it shouldn't be mentioned (because it in fact shows that the city has arisen to become a global capital). I'm saying put less emphasis on it, because it does not deserve to be a third of the introduction. --AndresTM (talk) 05:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I have had a close look at this GaWC website and they are not measuring "economic, political and cultural developments" as stated in the article. What they are measuring is connectivity and networking in a globalisation sense with other cities: the integration of the city into the world economy. I am removing the content for now and hope to include it later in the article but I do not think we should have it in the lead, especially since the article is misrepresenting the data. Diannaa ^TALK 15:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That was part of my argument. I can't possibly imagine Britannica or Collins dedicating one third of their introductory paragraphs to their Bogota article talking about a mostly unimportant study that isn't even that relevant for the purposes of an encyclopedia.--AndresTM (talk) 23:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC).

Unsourced info and poor English

Has it occurred to anyone that Jumamuba (talk · contribs) has added uncited information, poorly written text, and copyrighted photos to this article? I am reluctant to fix this myself since (s)he is making edits at a high rate and keeps reposting copyrighted photos, despite warnings to stop (see Talk page here and Talk page and block log on Commons).

Here is a diff between the current revision at the time of this post and the last revision before the user started editing this article. Of course, many of these edits were done by the user named above. "Full aqueduct and sewer services..."? This seems like poor translation from Spanish, and the user keeps adding uncited information while deleting sourced facts. (S)he also never leaves an edit summary. How can I be sure that if I clean up this article, my hard work will not be undone? PleaseStand (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

He is indef-blocked now. PleaseStand ^(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

cyclovia!

http://www.streetfilms.org/ciclovia/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.233.178.254 (talk) 15:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit needed

It has come to my attention that the spelling is not consistent in some parts (American vs. British). Per WP:RETAIN, it seems that the article should be written in American English. There are other consistency issues as well, including citation style. PleaseStand ^(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, If you can recall at this point what these edits were, I am copy-editing and will be happy to fix the American vs British style issues. Diannaa ^TALK 21:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Economy splinter article needed in English

The Spanish Wikipedia has es:Economía de Bogotá - We need Economy of Bogotá WhisperToMe (talk) 01:05, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Victim to suburban sprawl

That sounds like it violates wikipedia's neutral point of view.Alexlincoln2 (talk) 17:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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headings

there are an excessive number of headings, plus a lot of uncited text. LibStar (talk) 15:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Pictures

Hey, we should discuss the pictures a little bit. For instance, I do not believe that the picture in the Financial District should show the Porciuncula church and Avenida Chille mall. It is very pretty but there should be a proper picture of the Stock Exchange. Also, the fact that it is a catholic church in the middle of the district might confuse some people or send a confusing message. Thank you. What are your opinions? 86.180.17.193 (talk) 17:10, 30 March 2012 (UTC)olabrash 30 03 12 6:09pm GMT00

Seal

The seal shown at the beginning is the seal of the Mayor of Bogotá. The actual seal of the city can be seen in the Spanish version of this article. I don't know how to change it. Thank you. It can also be found in here http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escudo_de_Bogot%C3%A1 --86.180.17.193 (talk) 17:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Population

Does anyone have a source for this edit? It is an "update" to the population but the the reference is unchanged from the 2005 census. Yaris678 (talk) 10:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

hello

hello, update the page with several photos of Bogota, taken from the article in Spanish.(Koldorogollo (talk) 14:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)).

Torre Colpatria

Someone said here that Torre Colpatria is the second highest building of South America. That's a lie, there are taller buildings in Santiago and Caracas. Someone change it please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.155.25.195 (talk) 11:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Percentage living in poverty

The article says that "32.6% of citizens were living in poverty (living on less than US$2 a day) in 2005". This is not true. 32.6% of citizens were living in poverty, as defined by the Colombian government (by the DANE, the Colombian statistics office). The poverty line by the DANE is much higher than the international standard of 2 USD a day, so this statistic is misleading for an international audience. Actually, 2 USD a day would qualify as extreme poverty as defined by the DANE.

I am not sure how to fix this: is it better to show the percentage of Bogotans under 2 USD a day (which I do not know)? Or to show the figure of 32.6% with the correct definition of poverty? Or both?

209.120.171.227 (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

In the city itself just an 11.6% of it's citizens were living on poverty and 2% on extreme poverty according to the government on 2013. Please investigate more, and the user above is correct acording to the Colombian government someone was poor if they didn't earn 6500$ Colombian pesos a day. That's equal to more than 3.5 bucks as 1850 Colombian pesos are equal to a dollar. And where is the city's GDP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.81.185.46 (talk) 19:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

.ogg file is inaccurate

The audio recording does not accurately represent the pronunciation of the word "Bogotá". It is putting the emphasis on the o instead of the a. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.139.32 (talk) 02:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Rated Start Implement WP:LEAD Article should contain at least 25 referenced sources. Use properly formatted references, see WP:CITET. Remove px sizing and left placement from thumbnail images. Reduce usage of subsections by writing complete paragraphs under main heading. Implement WP:EL guideline. Consider removing the gallery in favor of a link to a commons category. Remove trivia section as per WP:NOT guideline. Create a culture section to write about arts and sports in the city. Alan.ca 11:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 11:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:24, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Timeline of Bogotá

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Bogotá Location

Bogotá is the capital of Colombia, a country located in between Venezuela, Ecuador, and Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.99.201.41 (talk) 00:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Bogota Metropolitan Area

Actually, there is no official Metropolitan area in Bogota. Bogota alongside the municipalities of Chía, Cota, Soacha, Cajicá, La Calera, Madrid, Funza, Mosquera, Tabio, Tenjo and El Rosal do not form an entity nor from a political, administrative, taxative , nor in terms of infrastructure nor in terms of public investment nor in terms of culture. Many people in Bogota "feel" their city is bigger than what the numbers suggest and of course many people who actually work in Bogota commute from those municipalities but by no means nearer municipalities form a metropolitan area by default. The "Bogota Metropolitan area" is just totally made up and it has to be removed from the article. The citations to prove the 13 million inhabitants claim do not proof the existence of the Metropolitan Area, they just simply summed the official stats for some municipalities that in the editor's view (the one who added that) "should " conform the metropolitan area. Totally contrary to what encyclopedic should be. 190.159.33.45 (talk) 04:49, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

You have some good points, but you have to realize that not all major cities around the world have official metropolitan areas (recognized by the government), so that argument isn't very convenient here. Bogota already has an unofficial metropolitan area defined by DANE, but it's very dated. In order to be consistent, we will define a metropolitan area as one or more central cities and its associated outlying municipalities. To qualify as an outlying municipality, the municipality must have at least 1.5% of its resident population aged 15 and above commuting to school or work into one of the central cities. To qualify as a central city, a city must either be a designated city of any population or a non-designated city with a city proper population of at least 500,000. This definition follows the Major City < Commuter Town pattern, which is very evident in the Bogota Plateau.

Also, population projections are seen a lot in Wikipedia. If the sources are accurate and reliable, why would we remove the data? The best we could do is move the data to the Demographics section. 70.26.215.33 (talk) 18:10, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

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Introduction needs urgent copy-editing

Hello. I think it was a good initiative to expand the introduction of this article as was done earlier this month, however at this stage the level of English is rather poor and the result is sometimes confusing. Biwom (talk) 09:02, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

"It has a length of 33 km (21 mi) from south to north, and 16 km (10 mi) from east to west." I've never heard of cities having lengths.

"As the capital, home to senior agencies of the executive branch (President's Office), legislative (Congress of Colombia) and judicial (Supreme Court, Constitutional Court, Council of State and the Superior Council of the Judiciary)." This sentence has no verb.

"According to The Economist, in economic terms, Bogotá is known for its economic strength associated with the size of their production facilities to create companies and do business, financial maturity, attracting global companies and the quality of its human capital." This doesn't make any sense to me.

Thank you, Biwom (talk) 06:26, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Biwom and have just made an edit to at least begin the desired improvement. The main change I made was to remove some passages which seemed to me repetitive and redundant — especially bearing in mind that lead sections ought to be as brief as they feasibly can be! Harfarhs (talk) 16:34, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree with the earlier comments and have rewritten the intro a bit. Added commented out chapters to show the paragraph topics. Reading on it is still quite poor, will work on the history a bit more in the future. Tisquesusa (talk) 08:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Updates of the transport system section

@Calebmateo99: has made necessary improvements on the transport system of Bogotá. An IP editor, editing under 181.137.12.115 has reverted those changes, upon which I reverted again and it was reverted without discussion. Hence this section on the Talk Page. What was there in the article was outdated; the transport system is in constant change. E.g. before the SITP (the transport agency) was not as centralised as it is now; Transmilenio passes are now also used on the regular SITP buses. If the IP editor disagrees with the sources given or information updated; post other sources to correct it. Not brutally reverting without addressing the updates done, that is not constructive. This is the place to discuss and settle those issues. Tisquesusa (talk) 03:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Excessively detailed and unimportant information. What matters is knowing about the means of transport that has the city.--181.137.12.115 (talk) 19:15, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

If you feel that the information is excessively detailed then feel free to simplify it. An excessively detailed explanation of the current system is better than a simple explanation of the former system that no longer exists. As @Tisquesusa: said, simply reverting the updates rather than trying to improve them is not constructive or productive. Thanks, Calebmateo99 (talk) 20:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

You can update the information, but you should make easy to read the article and you should speak only of the means of transport in the city without the boring and unnecessary details.--181.137.12.115 (talk) 16:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

be free to update but with reliable sources! cheers.AlfaRocket (talk) 12:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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Official information is necessary. Rolo is not official. Bogotano is correct. Other words such as rolo and cachaco are not the official designation.

Official information is necessary. Rolo is not official.

Bogotano is correct. Other words such as rolo and cachaco are not the official designation. --181.137.2.23 (talk) 04:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Rolo is not a name for the city. Bogota is Bogota. Bogota is not Rolo City. --181.137.2.23 (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

There is more in the world than just "official". Official is just one part of the information an infobox shows. Commonly accepted terms are part of that information. Rolo is a widely used term and there's no reason to actively omit that information from the reader. The reader can see that "Bogotano" derives from "Bogotá". But the reader can also take away from the infobox; i.e. be informed, that "rolo" is another term in use. Tisquesusa (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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The metro population listed in the infobox (10,700,000) is different than what is listed on the List of largest cities (9,800,000). Looking at the sources cited both say 9,800,000 for 2015 when the information was retrieved. Looking at the revision history the infobox used to say 9,800,000 but was changed to 10,700,000 in revision 785652987 "Updated to 2017 figures", without citing any sources for the new figure.

Lacking any sources for the 10,700,000 figure I think that revision should be rolled back.

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