Talk:Booby trap

Needs disambiguation link at the minimum

For non-military people (ie, most people), a booby trap is a more general class of thing, often referring to pranks. The article claims that was the original usage, so it's perplexing that this article would focus so strongly on military use. Either this article should more strongly cover popular usage of the term, or a new page should be created to cover that and the disambiguation page should be updated.. There should also be a link to the disambiguation in this article. I would do it, but don't have time to make sure I'm following conventions.

Booby_trap_(disambiguation) -- Jodawi

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Not all booby traps are military... some are created by very paranoid individuals. -- EmperorBMA / ブリイアン 07:23, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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What is the etymology of this phrase? -Speedeep 19:06, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

I think it comes from the trap's intent to insnare foolish people; "boobies" being fools. I'm not sure enough about this to add it to the article though. Noit 06:20, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The citation for the Ray Mears suggestion is the following youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC7Ym1PIlNw and the comment is about 2:50 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.220.7 (talk) 11:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

What is a "booby"?

The link to the page for "booby" should be removed. I'm quite certain that birds are entirely unrelated to this topic.

Agreed -- removed. --Mrwojo 18:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

General usage

I think the first sentence should indicate that this concept exists in general usage beyond the military. A booby trap set up by the typical college student, for example, typically involves a bucket, water, a door, and no disintegrations. Non-military booby traps are commonly seen in movies too, playing a big part in Home Alone, The Goonies, and Indiana Jones. --Mrwojo 18:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Pot Growers

Those people growing illegal drugs also use these things to keep out intruders and Law Enforcement. Martial Law 10:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyright

There is whole paragraph directly quoted from TIME magazine - I'd be surprised if that were public domain:

"The Palestinian fighters had made their own preparations. Booby traps had been laid in the streets of both the camp and the town, ready to be triggered if an Israeli foot or vehicle snagged a tripwire. Some of the bombs were huge—as much as 250 lb (110 kg) of explosives, compared with the 25 lb (11 kg) a typical suicide bomber uses. On Day 2 of the battle, when the town had been secured but the fight in the camp was just beginning, an armored Caterpillar D9 bulldozer rolled along a three-quarter-mile (1.2 km) stretch of the main street to clear booby traps. An Israeli Engineering Corps officer logged 124 separate explosions set off by the vehicle, which was undamaged. In the camp, the explosive charges were even more densely packed, and tunnels had been dug between houses so that Palestinian fighters could move around without exposing themselves on the street. [1]"--Wikipeder 18:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

booby traps in movies and pyramids

i think a mention should be made about booby traps in indiana jones and in real life pyramids as well. any agreement? i agree with the movie part of it. it would be very helpful to those people that are looking for movies with booby traps.

Contradiction

The article said in the first line that grenades and land mines are examples of booby traps, and then in the next paragraph has a long explanation on why land mines are different than booby traps. I removed the parenthetical that said "such as landmines or grenades" from the first sentence. Note also that it said "landmines" whereas "land mines" is used elsewhere.

Criminal and Security use

It is a FACT that criminals use them, especially those growing Pot, making METH, keeping out intruders tresspassing on property owned by private armies. Some are shotguns rigged to tripwires, others are holes filled with punji stakes. Designs vary. I have seen a news broadcast in which local police had found some Pot growers, pot and booby traps, mostly shotguns rigged to shoot intruders. 65.163.115.254 (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd be cautious of using booby traps for home security. If it results in injury to the trespasser, the homeowner could be sued. A device set to trigger a camera or an alarm is probably ok, but laws vary and you'd better know the law if you are going to create a trap for this purpose.--71.245.164.83 (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Before WW2?

Surely booby traps have been used before ww2? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.241.83 (talk) 02:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Should reflect non-military use more

I was interested to find out the reason why it's called a booby trap! However, I think the article should reflect much much more the more general use of the phrase that is prevalent nowadays. It can now mean any sort of metaphorical use of the term e.g. it's used in a BBC article describing phishing sites as booby-traps in web pages. Good luck and many thanks, Drum guy (talk) 14:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see some information here about the use of booby traps in Egyptian ruins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.246.204 (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

question

According to the article Ruse of war#No_treachery or perfidy every device described here would be constitute a war crime. Prior to a list of examples of prohibited ruses, it says:

"When landmines were not marked or reported, or when they are disguised, they are perfidious per the Geneva Conventions, annex 10 October, 1980:"

If Ruse of war is correct shouldn't this article point that out that all the examples here are war crimes? Geo Swan (talk) 21:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

When I served in Vietnam (1971-2), I and others in my unit routinely set up booby traps to assist in defending our nighttime positions. We were instructed that, since such devices were contrary to the Geneva convention, we should set them up in such a way that, if triggered, the blast would destroy the triggering device and hence the evidence that this was a booby trap. The brass, at least, used the term "mechanical ambush" for any such devices our side used while reserving "booby trap" for devices employed by the enemies. Wschart (talk) 12:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Suggested merge

• Oppose - if anything, I suggest that Anti-handling device is merged into Booby trap, Based on page statistics alone:

Booby trap:

• Watchers - 53
• Page views - 12760

Anti-handling device:

• Watchers - Less than 30
• Page views - 1726

Based on page views, Booby trap is nearly 9 times as popular as anti-handling device.

Plus:

• Booby trap is a more common term for the layman
• Booby trap article is more developed than anti-handling deveice, which if anything is a bit over-technical and militaristic.

a_man_alone (talk) 11:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

VOIED

http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/26476/atf_puts_10000_reward_info_phoenix_ied_attacker Mark Rockwell, "ATF puts up $10,000 reward for info on Phoenix IED attacker", Government Security News, 1 Jun 2012.

There were three bomb attacks in the Glendale-Phoenix AZ May 2012 involving abandoned large yellow flashlights rigged to explode when the on/off switch is tested. ATF has a name for these devices: Victim-Operated Improvised Explosive Devices (VOIED).

--Naaman Brown (talk) 20:06, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Other malware besides viruses

The #Computer viruses section certainly needs to be changed to a section about malware in general. The most notable forms of malware to take advantage of booby-trapping and social engineering tactics are Trojan horses, not viruses. 2602:306:BCA6:8300:3406:4D80:8F69:EA9C (talk) 06:04, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

The Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons

Looks like this should be referenced: http://www.unog.ch/80256EE600585943/(httpPages)/4F0DEF093B4860B4C1257180004B1B30?OpenDocument — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.136.241.151 (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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The Relativism of Wikipedia

I was under the impression that it was the obligation of the deploying power to clearly mark & map a mine field, insofar as it was a) a deceitful weapon, and b) threatened soldier and civilian alike.

So it seems illegal to deploy a booby trap w/o also giving notice "here be booby traps".

Why is this not addressed ? The Ancient Rules of War have been around for >2K years now.

We are not animals

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Can someone delete the another word in the opening?! That's because we are not animals and this is an insult to ourselves! Do that by tomorrow! 2600:4040:BFEF:9F00:25AB:DCCC:25E1:3191 (talk) 15:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The Human article disagrees with you:

Despite the fact that the word animal is colloquially used as an antonym for human, and contrary to a common biological misconception, humans are animals.

Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

But me and my family don't trust it! 2600:4040:BFEF:9F00:25AB:DCCC:25E1:3191 (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok, in the spirit of other articles to help, might I suggest this one then? Education. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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