Talk:Booth Lusteg

Researching Booth Lusteg

Using Familysearch.org I have found this, I think that I have found Booth Lusteg in the 1940 Census. First I found info that he was born in New Haven Connecticut,then I checked the 1940 Census for New Haven and found a Gerald Lusteg age 2 (born 1938) in New Haven,Connecticut he was the son of Arthur G Luster and Muriel Booth Lusteg. It is rare that a census shows a middle name,much less an initial, but it was,and still is in some parts and families,to give a child as a middle name, the family name of the mother. I have seen cases where every child in the family has the same middle name (mothers maiden name), a means of passing on family history.

Here is the link check first entry for Gerald then down the page for Arthur G Lusteg whose wife is Mrs Muriel W Booth Lusteg. This does not appear to be a coincidence. Gerald either dropped his first name in his career, for his middle name, or rather than sign up as Gerald Lusteg choose the more "masculine" and unique Booth. This could be fact that is even unknown to his family, as it could have been a name change affected before marriage and birth of children. Also a frequent occurence.Oldperson (talk) 22:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I think you're probably right and have no reason to think that Lusteg's daughter (User:Courtlisa) is wrong as well, but there are still WP:VNT issues which need to be resolved. The article currently cites Pro Football Reference for his date of birth (see Booth Lusteg#cite_note-PFRbio-2). It's quite possible that source is wrong, but there is also a scan of the 1967 Buffalo Bills team yearbook uploaded here to the website Lusteg's daughter has created about her dad which also give the same birth year as Pro Football Reference. It's possible that's wrong too, but it almost certainly precedes PFR. To confuse things even more, the source cited in Booth Lusteg#cite_note-1 gives his birth year as 1937, which is different from both what the article and Lusteg's daughter are claiming.

So, somewhere somehow a mistake might have been made in how reliable sources have listed Lusteg's birth year. A scan of this old article also can be found on the tribute website and states Lusteg graduated from high school in 1955, but doesn't mention his age or birth year. Any original content posted on that tribute website is almost certainly something Wikipedia cannot use per WP:UGC, but the scans of old articles published in reliable sources may be something which Wikipedia can use. I cannot find anything in any of those which gives 1938 as Lusteg's daughter is claiming is the right year, but if someone can then perhaps it can be used in someway to support a change from 1939 to 1938, or at least give both years to show that there is a discrepancy among reliable sources.

Part of the problem, in addition to first name issue you pointed out above, may be that Lusteg himself pretended to be his younger brother in order to try and improve his chances at being picked up by the Bills. It's also possible that somewhere along the line he told someone he was born in 1939 for a similar reason. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Request edit on 13 October 2019

Dear Marchjuly, I EDITED THIS

Re: Booth Lusteg Wikipedia is the TOP site for Lusteg under Google. Everyone sees it first. He did NOT retire in '69. (Makes him look older.) He retired in 1975! Rather than write about the Bucs, replace with the "Portland Storm" of the WFL whom he had a good season with in '74.

Was in several Major Motion Pictures with speaking parts, also acted in Off-Broadway Plays. Thanks for omitting "unsuccessful" at acting.

NOT a 4 yr spread with brother's age, but a 3 yr

Was NEVER assaulted after game. Booth said himself the newspapers "sensationalized" the story. He was criticized and harassed for missing one kick. Brandford is spelled Branford.

Played semi Pro Baseball. Earned money in "4" sports - Football, Baseball, Basketball, Tennis. Held a field goal record, led league in scoring, Was Author, Speaker, Football/Tennis Coach, earned Master's Degree in Number Theory.

Great great grandfather William Booth founded the "Salvation Army" Founded the "Booth Lusteg Kicking School," was in Army, became Ordained Minister. I can upload some source material

Blessings, courtlisa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtlisa (talk • contribs) 20:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

• @Courtlisa: Corrected spelling or "Branford". Thank you for pointing this out.
  Can you provide links to reliable sources for the other changes/corrections you suggesting? You don't need to upload anything; just add a link to them here on this talk page. The easiest way to add a link would be like this: <nowiki>[urladdress sourcename]</nowki>. If you're unable to provide a link, then please provide as much information about the source as possible (see WP:CITEHOW); this will make verification harder, but perhaps someone else can provide the link or otherwise access the source to verify it. It also might make things easier for those responding to request if you break things up into one change per request at a time instead of trying to bunch them together into one big single request, and you don't need to address your requests personally to me. Another editor can answer them as long as they can verify the content and feels they are in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines.
  As for sources generally considered reliable, things which are independent and secondary of the subject matter which are considered to have some type of rigorous editorial control like major publications tend to typically be OK; things like personal websites, social media accounts, or other self-published sources are generally not (with some exceptions). Moreover, even if the source is reliable,it should actually support the content it's intended to support. If you want to see some examples of common sources, etc. and whether they are generally considered reliable for Wikipedia's purposes, please look here or here.
  Finally, please try to remember to sign your talk page posts. You can find out to do so at Wikipedia:Signatures#How to sign your posts. It makes it a bit easier for others to quickly see who's making the request and when it was made. In addition, some templates used on Wikipedia won't work properly when used in an unsigned post. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Info & Input for Booth Lusteg

Moved from User talk:Marchjuly § For MarchJuly - Info & Input for Booth Lusteg

 – -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear MarchJuly, I hope I'm answering you in the right place, but I'm new at all this & it was difficult for me to navigate around on Wiki & to land on this page. Thank you Sir for your response & input. I will try to follow the guidelines as best as I can & post my edit requests on a page for all to see (if I can find where that is) I also still am not sure of how I am supposed to sign my name. Is it with any 4 symbols (tildes)?

It's sad the media sensationalized the story about my dad after the Bills game. He was never assaulted or beat up. We were there after. The Press exaggerated the story. My dad was always very open with us & told us all the details. Yes he & the fans were disappointed but they never hurt him. I know how it is because I played pro tennis & one reporter one time completely misconstrued my words & published them which gave it an opposite meaning than what was intended. As far as with the Portland Storm of the WFL, we were with him in Oregon for the games. There was a news clip that read, "Lusteg's FG Saves Storm" It was in the Sports section of the "Oregonian"shown on my tribute website, boothlustegtribute.com There is also a photo on this site of him kicking in front of a crowd in a blue/green uniform with the Portland Storm. Pete Beathard was Quarterback and holder. It was Sept 28, 1974. Portland won over Birmingham 26 to 21. Head Coach was Dick Coury & he was called to come out to Portland right away. There Booth beat out 2 other kickers. Booth recounts the details on pgs 182-185 in his autobiography, "Kick Rejection and Win." I will try & find more references for Wiki. All for now, tttt Lisa Lusteg-Bennett tttt

Feb 13, 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Courtlisa (talk • contribs) 00:02, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Note: The above post was originally posted by Courtlisa at User talk:Marchjuly#For MarchJuly - Info & Input for Booth Lusteg, and I'm moving it here to make it easier for others to participate in the discussion and also make sure it gets archived with the other posts related to this article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lisa. I can understand your feelings towards the press and their coverage of the "missed kick" incident, but Wikipedia's role isn't really to point out the mistakes the press may make or to try and set the record straight. If you're aware of other reliable sources, ideally independent of the subject of the article that portray the incident in a different way, then it's possible that both accounts and be presented to show that there's some disagreement regarding what happened. What you're dad told most likely is the truth, but such types of conversations, etc. is going to be considered original research unless it can be verified. Now, if you're dad wrote an autobiography, then it could possibly be used as a source per WP:ABOUTSELF as long as it was something published by a reputable publisher and not some "do-it-yourself" type of online/self publishing service. In that case, content along the lines of "Lusteg, however, later disputed the media's account of the incident in his autobiography, stating that the media had sensationalized what really happened" or something similar might be able to be added for balance; Wikipedia cannot just simply discount what the media reported just because your dad said they got it wrong, particularly since the older Buffalo Evening News article from that time actually quotes him as saying someone hit him and another person ripped his shirt.

As for the Portland Timbers stuff, if you can provide more specific information about the "Oregonian" source, see WP:CITEHOW for more details, then it could possibly be cited as a source. Sources don't necessarily need to be available online as explained in WP:PUBLISHED, but they do need to be published and reasonably accessible so that they can be verified. It's also possible that the Oregonian might have archives of old papers that someone could check and verify.

Finally, the easiest way to sign your posts is explained in WP:TILDE; basically, you just need to add the tilde to the very end of your posts. You can also click of the four tilde button located right after "Sign your posts on talk pages" found at the very top of the editing window. Either way, you check whether you've signed your posts correctly (or even at all) by click "Show preview". If you did add it correctly, you should see your username followed by a date/time stamp and your signature should look something like mine. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:56, 14 February 2020 (UTC)