Talk:Border barrier

Split list of barriers into new article

This article seems to be more a list than about the topic itself. Noteworthy walls (because of political or cultural reasons) like the Berlin Wall, Korean Demilitarized Zone or Great Wall of China should be mentioned but others less important could be just mentioned in the list article. The current article doesn't really go into reasons about why walls are established or what effects they have. The list article would be called List of border barriers MarkiPoli (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

• Closing discussion for lack of interest. The way to proceed along the lines suggested by User:MarkiPoli would be to add that sore of sophisticated discussion to the page, at which point splitting would be an obvious move.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I decided to be bold and convert the page from one half list and one half more wordy list into a single list. I think it may be proper to move the current page into a new page with "list" in the title and make the one with the current title into an encyclopedic overview, but the second half of the page prior to my edit was not at all an encyclopedic overview. It was just a haphazard list and a few of the items had more detail, but nothing that couldn't be found on other pages. OneGyT (talk) 19:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Pakistan Fencing of Western Border with Afghanistan

Need to update the progress of the Pakistan fencing of its border with Afghanistan which along with mining, increased border patrols and the construction of security posts has resulted in a near 90% decrease in terrorist attacks, smuggling and illegal movement out of the civil war like situation in neighboring Afghanistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.140.174 (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

page name

Feedback: It was hard for me to find this page, and for a while I actually thought I would need to start one, so I'm wondering if we might consider enhancing the name to make it easier to find?

My searches were:: "countries with border walls" :: "country border wall" :: but only when I searched:: "boarder wall" :: did I find this page. The word barrier is technically correct, but not one that I considered trying. CeeVee2015 (talk) 17:27, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

When I search both "countries with border walls" and "country border wall" in Wikipedia's search box, this article, Border barrier , is the first hit. And Border wall redirects here. Therefore, it should be easy to find this article. I think the issue might be that you were misspelling "border" as "boarder" when you were searching, as you did once in your statement right above. Deli nk (talk)

Moroccan Wall

Shouldn't be Moroccan Wall [1] included here?

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Northern Ireland

I am unsure if the peace lines in Northern Ireland should be included within this article as they aren't a border of anything really not even wards in Northern Ireland they are just there to segregate communities for safety reasons. C. 22468 Talk to me 17:56, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

moats

border wall redirects here, how about a section talking about border moats around nations? Have read about these in some articles:

• Egypt: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/200134
• Arabia: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/943787/Saudi-Arabia-threaten-Qatar-cut-off-border-moat-Middle-East-tensions
• US: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-border-moat/arizona-city-seeks-moat-to-secure-mexico-border-idUSN1263853320080313

I don't know if any actually exist yet or if it's still just a concept being talked about. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Current edits

101.178.163.19: The series of edits 30 December contained some improvements, while other changes are not really helpful. This article is about border barriers, so text about borders without any emphasis on barriers is not relevant. Also, the additions are unsourced, and some of the additions need to be edited for style and clarity.

Pakistan: I have removed the addition Pakistan and India also have built a border after they broke up in the 1940s. and the picture. It says nothing about a barrier; you do not "build" a border; "broke up" is not a good description of the creation of India and Pakistan; "in the 1940s" is far too vague and imprecise.

UAE: I have also removed the addition It also has a border with Saudi Arabia. Yes, it has a border with Saudi Arabia, but does it have a barrier?

France: This addition is fine and at least partly covered by the source already there.

Germany: This is a good addition, but the text needs to be made more encyclopedic. In the old days is hardly the best way to start a section in an encyclopedia.

United Kingdom: Moving the text about Northern Ireland to the sovereign state is fine, but it should be titled "United Kingdom" and not "Britain". Britain is ambiguous and could also mean the island (which Northern Ireland is not a part of). The placement in the alphabetic list is correct if we change the title!
Neither the text England had a border with Scotland and parts of this border still exists. nor the picture of the English-Scottish border indicates a barrier, so I have removed them.
The Gibraltar–Spain border is already mentioned under "Spain", but it may also be relevant to mention in relation to Gibraltar. Then it would have to be reformulated and made as a separate section (between Germany and Greece). Gibraltar is British, but it is not part of Britain (island) or Britain (state=United Kingdom). --T*U (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, the photo of Scotland and England looks like a border barrier to me.101.178.163.19 (talk) 07:11, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

More about current edits

101.178.163.19: There are hundreds of international borders, and virtually all of them have some sort of marking or fencing in at least some part. That in itself does not merit a mention in this article, and absolutely not if the addition is unsourced. Some of your additions are basically good (i.e. the internal Germany cold war border and the Saudi Salwa Canal), even if they need some copy editing to become encyclopedic. But please refrain from making any more "country X borders on country Y and there are some fences"-type additions, especially if they are unsourced.

• United States: "citation needed"-tag is fine; 130 km is definitely wrong. Some places have no fences is possibly true, but unsourced, and is adequately described in the next sentence. The Canada addition is also unsourced and is misleading, since this is actually a border with very limited barriers.

• Pakistan: I have also removed the new version Pakistan and India also have built a border wall after Pakistan broke up from India in 1947. and the picture. It is unsourced, there is no mention in the linked article about a "border wall"; and "broke up from India" is still not a good description of the creation of India and Pakistan.

• Saudi Arabia: Addition of Salwa Canal is fine, but editing text for clarity and more encyclopedic style.

• Turkey: Unsourced, notability not established.

• UAE: Notability not established, a border post is not a border wall.

--T*U (talk) 14:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

A lot of countries dont have a border fence. Like Germany-France and some of the EU countries. And what do you mean a border post is not a border wall? The officer at the border post checks passports or ID to ensure no one crosses. 101.178.163.19 (talk) 04:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

US Border section

Not finding anything in the cites supportive of this sentence "A large majority of Americans do not support the construction or extension of a barrier on the border. According to Democrats, the construction of a barrier would be redundant." so changed it and added supportive cites. It seems while a majority of Americans do not support THE WALL (59% overall); 54% of Americans support a mixed construction type of physical barrier on the southern border. Cites include a note giving percentages given from their various polls SteamWiki (talk) 00:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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